sniper rifle?
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David L said:
Are you talking with or without optics???
Bolts Actions or Semi-Auto???
For rifles only look at the Following:
Bolt Action:
-Rem 700 : The 700P (Police Series), or the VS (Varmint Synthetic).
-Savage has several offerings as well (I don't know their particulat models).
-Tikka has some Heavy barrelled offerings as well.
-H-S Precision Pro series
-Sako TRG series
-Swiss Arms SHR970
-Fabrique Nationale (FN)
The Sako TRG/H-S Precision are up in the $2600.00+ range.
Savage is probably the best bang for the buck,followed by the Rem700P. These two would be the "best buy" and Let you spend the extra cash on good quality optics.
SKBY.
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Savage LE line up will be hard to beat at any price.
You can choose from the HS stock on the new FBI rifles or the A5 McMillan. Even a side folding compact Choate model. New for 07 will be the awesome center feed d mag on all their LE rifles. Rifles should run around $1000, maybe less.
If you want a different cal like a 7RM or 300WM, just get a 110 center feed and swap in a better stock.
For optics, I would suggest you look at the new 07 Nikons and Bushnell Elites. There should be quite alot to offer in a top quality tacky scopes.
IOR is also a good product. No experience with the S&B but they come with a good reputation if not elite price tag. Sorry, no leuppies yet as I have not heard them solving their issues with their side focus mechanicals on their variables.
Jerry
You can choose from the HS stock on the new FBI rifles or the A5 McMillan. Even a side folding compact Choate model. New for 07 will be the awesome center feed d mag on all their LE rifles. Rifles should run around $1000, maybe less.
If you want a different cal like a 7RM or 300WM, just get a 110 center feed and swap in a better stock.
For optics, I would suggest you look at the new 07 Nikons and Bushnell Elites. There should be quite alot to offer in a top quality tacky scopes.
IOR is also a good product. No experience with the S&B but they come with a good reputation if not elite price tag. Sorry, no leuppies yet as I have not heard them solving their issues with their side focus mechanicals on their variables.
Jerry
I bought a new Remington LTR put a Warne 20MOA base,Near rings and a NightForce 3.5/15x50 scope for under $3000 this rifle scope combo is stone stock and I am getting sub .5 MOA groups
I would not go for CHEAP scopes.....I think you should buy the best you can!!Bushnell's are JUNK IMHO fine for your once or twice a year hunting trips,Nikon make some very nice High end optics
my Nightforce has 110MOA in the scope...so I could go way way out there with my rifle
Jamie
I would not go for CHEAP scopes.....I think you should buy the best you can!!Bushnell's are JUNK IMHO fine for your once or twice a year hunting trips,Nikon make some very nice High end optics
my Nightforce has 110MOA in the scope...so I could go way way out there with my rifle
Jamie
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Bulldog, that is why Nikon is rebadging their scopes and giving them new kinder gentler names. I don't think they will have a 'tactical' scope by name.
If and when these companies update their websites, you should see 'old' scopes with new names and hopefully, better representation in Canada.
All of their monarch line is being redesigned for side focus with a few "new" additions.
Jamie, do remember that one of the best tactical scopes ever built IS a Bausch&Lomb 10X (1980's vintage). That entire line of product has simply been rebadged as Bushnell Elite 4200 and 3200. The 4200 is graced with some of the best glass and mechanicals on any scope (same factory as Nightforce). The 3200 has useable glass but good mechanicals.
There will be new scopes but no further details except one WILL be a 4200 30mm something. There will also be a fixed 16X (?) in the 3200 to go with the ultra successful 10X.
Remember that the Elite 3200 10X is considered a standard option on any BARRETT from the factory. If that is not an endorsement for a scope, what is? All for around $250.
We can only hope that the decision makers at 'Bushnell' see the potential for the LE/Mil US market and dust off their old stuff and make them new.
Agreed that the lower grades of Sportsman, Dusk til Dawn, non Japanese made Banners are not the best scopes in town. The Legends are pretty good but certainly not 'tactical'. But then these are all bargain priced products.
Jerry
If and when these companies update their websites, you should see 'old' scopes with new names and hopefully, better representation in Canada.
All of their monarch line is being redesigned for side focus with a few "new" additions.
Jamie, do remember that one of the best tactical scopes ever built IS a Bausch&Lomb 10X (1980's vintage). That entire line of product has simply been rebadged as Bushnell Elite 4200 and 3200. The 4200 is graced with some of the best glass and mechanicals on any scope (same factory as Nightforce). The 3200 has useable glass but good mechanicals.
There will be new scopes but no further details except one WILL be a 4200 30mm something. There will also be a fixed 16X (?) in the 3200 to go with the ultra successful 10X.
Remember that the Elite 3200 10X is considered a standard option on any BARRETT from the factory. If that is not an endorsement for a scope, what is? All for around $250.
We can only hope that the decision makers at 'Bushnell' see the potential for the LE/Mil US market and dust off their old stuff and make them new.
Agreed that the lower grades of Sportsman, Dusk til Dawn, non Japanese made Banners are not the best scopes in town. The Legends are pretty good but certainly not 'tactical'. But then these are all bargain priced products.
Jerry
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mysticplayer said:
well the 10x on the barret is a lowest bidder thing I would guess..no real unit will take a Barret into combat with that scope...I agree the B&L 10Tactical was in it's day one of the best( I wish I could find one for a retro build
)...but there current line up is no were near the B&L tactical of old....I am a fan of the 3200 fixed ten great little scope if one is low on funds the cross hairs are way to thick for me....I have had two in the past and one had 88minutes of ADJ on had 90....they did list 100moa on there siteto say NightForce is made in the same factory I don't know...I can tell you I have had many high end scopes Mark4's,Nightforce,and all of them are brighter then any Bushnell or B&L I have looked threw(the old B&L tactical 10 was very bright and clear!!)I can't wait to try out a S&B PMII I hear they are awesome!
when people ask me what to buy I always say the best they can afford..
Jamie
I have never hear any issues with the Leupold MK4 side focus and I have used these scopes for years.
People have to remember that the TRUE MK4s are the fixed power models (10X M3/M1 & the M1 16X) made for Military use.The MK4 Precision Rifle line is not in the same league for ruggedness.
Bushnell does make so nice optics, but nowhere near the quality of the MK4, Nightforce, or S&B line.
The Bushnell 3200 10X MilDot is the best value in a MilDot lower end tatcical scope.
That B&L #1040 10X MilDot scope was AWESOME. I had one when the first came out and regretfully sold it to my buddy who won't sell it back to me. I liked it better then any of the Leupy MK4s I have.
I have had hands on with Nightforce,U.S. Optics, & Swarvoski.For my eyes, the S&B PM-II wins hands down.Although I would have no problem buying a Nightforce or U.S. Optics scope.
The IOR scopes I have seen have not impressed me with the Phillips screw head hardware on the turrets (Don't know if they have changed that or not). Plus I did not like how some of the reticles adjusted in the different models (the 4X line).The reticle doesn't stay centered in the FOV when zero'd.The IOR I tried out had the reticle up and over to the left side of the FOV when zero'd.It shot where it was supposed to, but I just couldn't get used to that sight picture.
Jamie, if you get out this way you can try ou the MIGHTY S&B.
SKBY.
People have to remember that the TRUE MK4s are the fixed power models (10X M3/M1 & the M1 16X) made for Military use.The MK4 Precision Rifle line is not in the same league for ruggedness.
Bushnell does make so nice optics, but nowhere near the quality of the MK4, Nightforce, or S&B line.
The Bushnell 3200 10X MilDot is the best value in a MilDot lower end tatcical scope.
That B&L #1040 10X MilDot scope was AWESOME. I had one when the first came out and regretfully sold it to my buddy who won't sell it back to me.
I liked it better then any of the Leupy MK4s I have.I have had hands on with Nightforce,U.S. Optics, & Swarvoski.For my eyes, the S&B PM-II wins hands down.Although I would have no problem buying a Nightforce or U.S. Optics scope.
The IOR scopes I have seen have not impressed me with the Phillips screw head hardware on the turrets (Don't know if they have changed that or not). Plus I did not like how some of the reticles adjusted in the different models (the 4X line).The reticle doesn't stay centered in the FOV when zero'd.The IOR I tried out had the reticle up and over to the left side of the FOV when zero'd.It shot where it was supposed to, but I just couldn't get used to that sight picture.
Jamie, if you get out this way you can try ou the MIGHTY S&B.
SKBY.
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with budget cap of $3,000 you have several options as skullboy mentioned,
personaly *not a dig against the other brands listed* i would buy a good Savage LE model as it around $600-800 leaving you with plenty of $$ for high end glass. and with the Quality on par with the more expensive brands *it is just as accurate out of the box as the more expensive remington LE models*.
the aftermarket area isnt as big BUT over the past few years since savage has been proven it as a equal competitor the market has been growing consideraly for accesories. but ultimatly it will come down to what you like the feel of and what fits you best while meeting your needs. so if you get a chance handle a couple of differnt brands to find the best fitting and give her a go.
as for the glass well my budget doesnt allow the better quality glass * my rifles currently wear either a tasco or a wally world special LOL* but if i had the $$$$ like Some of our like minded bretheren i would lean towards the S&B or U.S. Optics.
like its been said many many times get the best Glass YOU can afford
personaly *not a dig against the other brands listed* i would buy a good Savage LE model as it around $600-800 leaving you with plenty of $$ for high end glass. and with the Quality on par with the more expensive brands *it is just as accurate out of the box as the more expensive remington LE models*.
the aftermarket area isnt as big BUT over the past few years since savage has been proven it as a equal competitor the market has been growing consideraly for accesories. but ultimatly it will come down to what you like the feel of and what fits you best while meeting your needs. so if you get a chance handle a couple of differnt brands to find the best fitting and give her a go.
as for the glass well my budget doesnt allow the better quality glass * my rifles currently wear either a tasco or a wally world special LOL* but if i had the $$$$ like Some of our like minded bretheren i would lean towards the S&B or U.S. Optics.
like its been said many many times get the best Glass YOU can afford
I am not a fan of USoptics....I have heard of them dying,comming from the plant with dust in the main tube,they failed the Dunk test for Canada's Sniper rifle....and they are big heavy and ugly.....but thats just me
Jamie
Jamie
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I've had my hands on the US Optics SN9 and SN3 and I think they are fabulous scopes and I would put my money on them. I own Mark 4's and Nightforce NXS and both are exceptional scopes and I can't prefer one over the other because each has options the other doesnt, but a combination of the two would be an outstanding winner. The Mark 4 on my .300WM is outstanding and prefer that over the Nightforce, But the Nightforce on my .50BMG could not be replaced by my Mark 4. Optically I cant really say one is better than the other, but that could just be my eyes. If I were shooting in the field with unknown ranges my vote goes to the Leupold. But I realy like the Nightforce 2MOA rectical. I would love to glare down the Schmidt and Bender but I have not met anyone up here with one to compare I have no doubts it is outstanding. I also own a Bushnell Elite 4200 6-24X mil-dot and have it mounted on my Savage 12 BVSS. It has nailed me many a gopher and had me shooting to 1000yrds, but I would not mount it on a tactical rifle.
Guess in a nutshell my opinion is there are many excellent pieces of glass out there and when it comes to optics spend your money wisely and get the best you can afford, that matches your style of shooting and the distances you will be shooting. All mentioned have pro's and cons so see what people are using in your style of shooting and give them a go. There are also many considerations in rectical selection also and that realy comes down to aplication of the rifle you are using.
Hope I confused you all enough.
Guess in a nutshell my opinion is there are many excellent pieces of glass out there and when it comes to optics spend your money wisely and get the best you can afford, that matches your style of shooting and the distances you will be shooting. All mentioned have pro's and cons so see what people are using in your style of shooting and give them a go. There are also many considerations in rectical selection also and that realy comes down to aplication of the rifle you are using.
Hope I confused you all enough.
Hahahahahaha that is SO not true...you look through the big end...makes perfect sense...Skullboy said:But you still have to figure out which end to look through..............
SKBY.
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! I'm really not as dumb as I sound.-Rohann
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We can't help itRohann said:Hahahahahaha that is SO not true...you look through the big end...makes perfect sense...
Man you guys make fun of me a lot
-Rohann
The reason I tease you, is you remind me of my daughter. Wake up at 0600 talking and continues to talk until I put her in bed, can't tell her anything "I already know dad!" 
