Thanks. Hope my gun likes them
Ive never shot a moose. So when I do, I want to make sure I have the best round in the gun. I don't mind spending the little extra as it maybe a shot of a lifetime.
So 150 g ttsx or 180 partitions for moose
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Thanks. Hope my gun likes them
Ive never shot a moose. So when I do, I want to make sure I have the best round in the gun. I don't mind spending the little extra as it maybe a shot of a lifetime.
Thats how I feel about premium bullets. They may cost me an extra $20-30 a year for hunting purposes. Most of us wouldn't even notice if we lost $30 a year.
Ya if you look at the hundreds or even thousands of dollars we spend to get to the point where we even have a shot to make the $2.50 for the cartridge seems pretty minor. I practice shooting with the cheap stuff then fine tune with the good stuff when hunting season rolls around. Funny thing is i have yet to find a round that doesnt shoot well out of my Tika . I was a little let down with interlocks last year on a whitetail so I'm moving to either the partition or ttsx. I know how they both perform on paper , just no experience on game. Thanks to all who have posted their 2cents. I'm still resourcing all the reviews and opinions out there but no matter what I chose if I get a chance to shot something I'll post the results.
TSX retains weight much better than lead core bullets, therefore, enables a deeper penetration. The last two TSXs I retrieved from my previous hunts lost an average of >1% of its weight.
One can use lighter TSX bullets (eg. 165 instead of 200 or 180 gr) which fly faster and promote a flatter flight path (less bullet drop).
Marketing has caused too many people to focus on penetration, weight retention and other numbers. The fact of the matter is that the Partition has been getting it done for over 50 years with utter, almost boring, reliability. I stopped using Partitions a while ago and tried the X and TSX and TTSX. I am back to the Partitions now.
Partitions get it done. So do TTSX, AFrames, Accubonds, Woodleighs, etc etc....Lots of good bullets out there. Pick whatever one you like and use it. Good bullet in the right place = dead moose, regardless of the manufacturer.
Northman999
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Either the 150 TTSX or the 180 Partition will work great.
But then, so will Winchester silver box 180's, Federal Power Shock 180's, Remington Core-Lokt 180's....
But then, so will Winchester silver box 180's, Federal Power Shock 180's, Remington Core-Lokt 180's....
So true...I've taken 6 moose with a 25-06, with both cor-locts, and partition and only recoverd one bullet...Shot other moose with a few other calibers, using conventional lead core bullets, and recovered only 2 from the same moose just under the hide on the far side that I can reacall...That was from a 7.62X39....
I had an "issue" with them and I got turned off. I never had a problem with the old X. People used to say it fouls the bore too much, the petals can (and did sometimes) break off and some rifles simply would not shoot them well. BUT, they did kill game quite well.
So this spring I was out bear hunting - .338 WM + 185gr TTSX.
I'll be the first to admit that I can mess up, but I can also tell you that I can shoot quite well and have been hunting for 27 years. Having said that, I hit and lost 2 bears in 3 days. The first one was ranged at 279 yards. It dropped at the shot, squirmed around, popped up and made it into the bush (5 yards).
We searched for over 2 hours with NO sign of the bear. There was not even a speck of blood anywhere - not even where it had dropped. I felt the shot was ok (broadside slightly 1/4ing away) - perhaps a touch high.
The second bear was when we were out two days later. I ranged it at 270 yards. I had a rock solid rest and all the time in the world, and given the events of the earlier hunt I was exceptionally careful. At the shot (broadside) my partner and I heard the tell-tale "thump" of the bullet impact. The bear took off and I fired again as it was 1/4ing away into the brush. Again we both clearly heard the impact.
1 1/2 hour later - no bear, no blood, nothing. As you can imagine I was quite dejected. My partner, an old timer who used to be a guide was very surprised at the events too. He asked about my ammunition - and I told him what I was using, although he doesn't put much thought into these types of things. He didn't know what a TTSX was.
So that put a bug in my mind. That is why I did the following test. I loaded up some 250gr Partitions and went to the range. The rifle was still sighted in properly, so there was no fault there. I placed a round of spruce out to 200 yards and fired a 185gr TTSX and a 250gr Partition into it.
The TTSX penetrated ~50% further, had a very small channel of destruction and opened up a very small amount - it didn't even open half-way down the cavity. The 250gr Partition had a channel of destruction at least 2x as large and mushroomed very nicely.
I prefer a behind the shoulder shot, but if it barely opened on such tough media at 200 yards, then what would it do on lungs at 270 yards?
My close friend, had just purchased a .300 Win Mag and the TSX shoots very well out of his rifle. We went out to the bear spot and looked around again. He said, "Man, you may have messed up the shot, but I have seen you shoot before, so now I am concerned".
There are numerous others who have posted similar issues.
Fortunately the vast majority of TSX and TTSX bullets seem to work very well, as evidenced by the very strong following on many forums. It seems to me that when someone posts a problem, those who have had nothing but good luck blame the shooter or some other factor.
But the fact of the matter is that some of us have had a bad experience (or two) and it doesn't take much to sour a person.
Take it how you will but I moved back to Partitions because they seem work all the time. In fact, I just came back from a deer hunt. Three shots with my 7mm RM and 175gr Partitions gave three cleanly and quickly killed deer. I don't know if it is just bad luck or what given how many people are raving about the wonders of the TSX/TTSX.
Here is a picture of the bullets pulled from the spruce round. Note how the TTSX barely opened. Compare it to the pictures posted by others who have tested the TSX/TTSX into media. Yes, I know spruce is not flesh etc etc etc.
The way I see it, I am 100% confident in the Partition, and that means a lot to me.
YMMV
I had an "issue" with them and I got turned off. I never had a problem with the old X. People used to say it fouls the bore too much, the petals can (and did sometimes) break off and some rifles simply would not shoot them well. BUT, they did kill game quite well.
So this spring I was out bear hunting - .338 WM + 185gr TTSX.
I'll be the first to admit that I can mess up, but I can also tell you that I can shoot quite well and have been hunting for 27 years. Having said that, I hit and lost 2 bears in 3 days. The first one was ranged at 279 yards. It dropped at the shot, squirmed around, popped up and made it into the bush (5 yards).
We searched for over 2 hours with NO sign of the bear. There was not even a speck of blood anywhere - not even where it had dropped. I felt the shot was ok (broadside slightly 1/4ing away) - perhaps a touch high.
The second bear was when we were out two days later. I ranged it at 270 yards. I had a rock solid rest and all the time in the world, and given the events of the earlier hunt I was exceptionally careful. At the shot (broadside) my partner and I heard the tell-tale "thump" of the bullet impact. The bear took off and I fired again as it was 1/4ing away into the brush. Again we both clearly heard the impact.
1 1/2 hour later - no bear, no blood, nothing. As you can imagine I was quite dejected. My partner, an old timer who used to be a guide was very surprised at the events too. He asked about my ammunition - and I told him what I was using, although he doesn't put much thought into these types of things. He didn't know what a TTSX was.
So that put a bug in my mind. That is why I did the following test. I loaded up some 250gr Partitions and went to the range. The rifle was still sighted in properly, so there was no fault there. I placed a round of spruce out to 200 yards and fired a 185gr TTSX and a 250gr Partition into it.
The TTSX penetrated ~50% further, had a very small channel of destruction and opened up a very small amount - it didn't even open half-way down the cavity. The 250gr Partition had a channel of destruction at least 2x as large and mushroomed very nicely.
I prefer a behind the shoulder shot, but if it barely opened on such tough media at 200 yards, then what would it do on lungs at 270 yards?
My close friend, had just purchased a .300 Win Mag and the TSX shoots very well out of his rifle. We went out to the bear spot and looked around again. He said, "Man, you may have messed up the shot, but I have seen you shoot before, so now I am concerned".
There are numerous others who have posted similar issues.
Fortunately the vast majority of TSX and TTSX bullets seem to work very well, as evidenced by the very strong following on many forums. It seems to me that when someone posts a problem, those who have had nothing but good luck blame the shooter or some other factor.
But the fact of the matter is that some of us have had a bad experience (or two) and it doesn't take much to sour a person.
Take it how you will but I moved back to Partitions because they seem work all the time. In fact, I just came back from a deer hunt. Three shots with my 7mm RM and 175gr Partitions gave three cleanly and quickly killed deer. I don't know if it is just bad luck or what given how many people are raving about the wonders of the TSX/TTSX.
Here is a picture of the bullets pulled from the spruce round. Note how the TTSX barely opened. Compare it to the pictures posted by others who have tested the TSX/TTSX into media. Yes, I know spruce is not flesh etc etc etc.
The way I see it, I am 100% confident in the Partition, and that means a lot to me.
YMMV
Well you got pics I like what I see I'm going to give those partitions a go thanks for the info.
I wonder if the issue is the Tip on the TSX, I've killed several truck loads of game with the 168 gr TSx from a 300 Win mag for me and the 30-06 for my son.
Here are a few pics of the bullet and the game.
This is the smallest animal I have shot with this combination, a Mountain Reedbuck in South Africa, would have weighed about 50 lbs, the PH didn't want me to shoot it in the shoulder to not damage the trophy mount. I basically shot the bucks ass off at about 200 yards.
My son shot this zebra, one and done never took a step, broke the off shoulder found the bullet under the very elastic thick hide.
Here's the bullet, weighed 164 grains
This one killed the moose in my avatar, about 250 yards, broke both shoulders, blew up a rib in the weigh in and got caught up in the hide on far side, the moose went about 10 feet, was dead by the time I got to him.
Between us we've killed at least 20 deer sized animals and 9, 500 pound or better animals plus one bear. In every case the TSX performed perfectly.
Here are a few pics of the bullet and the game.
This is the smallest animal I have shot with this combination, a Mountain Reedbuck in South Africa, would have weighed about 50 lbs, the PH didn't want me to shoot it in the shoulder to not damage the trophy mount. I basically shot the bucks ass off at about 200 yards.
My son shot this zebra, one and done never took a step, broke the off shoulder found the bullet under the very elastic thick hide.
Here's the bullet, weighed 164 grains
This one killed the moose in my avatar, about 250 yards, broke both shoulders, blew up a rib in the weigh in and got caught up in the hide on far side, the moose went about 10 feet, was dead by the time I got to him.
Between us we've killed at least 20 deer sized animals and 9, 500 pound or better animals plus one bear. In every case the TSX performed perfectly.
Martinbns - your results are typical. Notice how nicely your bullet mushroomed, all the way to the bottom of the cavity? I have seen that too. But 2x now I have seen what I posted. The first time was with a 270gr TSX out of a .375 H&H. Fortunately I just shot that into wet newsprint (compared to 7mm XLC into same pack of media):
The 270gr hardly opened up at all. Here are the pictures:
and another, compared to the 7mm:
Why did one open all the way and the other didn't? I don't know. The 185 TTSX results kind of sealed the deal for me.
The 270gr hardly opened up at all. Here are the pictures:
and another, compared to the 7mm:
Why did one open all the way and the other didn't? I don't know. The 185 TTSX results kind of sealed the deal for me.
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Nope, not from the city. Born & raised in Northern BC, and proud of it, but I fail to see why where I'm from has much of anything to do with it except a lame attempt at a put-down on your part.
And no, it's not just a "story." Several scientific papers have been published on this over the last few years, for example this one:
http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0005330
Barnes270 - that was the exact reason I really wanted the TSX to work. I have pm'd John Barsness back and forth and he said he researched the matter when it came up a few years ago (note you quote a 2009 article) and he said the only evidence he could find one way or the other was a long term Austrian study in which the hunters had LESS lead than the regular population.
I stopped worrying about it.
I stopped worrying about it.
