So 150 g ttsx or 180 partitions for moose
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Barnes_270
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You're moving the goal posts, my friend. I pointed out above that the effect of lead fragments is an open question, which you have now switched to arguing for. You, on the other hand were previously claiming that lead fragments are not dispersed outside the wound channel. That is incorrect.
You're welcome to your own opinions, but reality is not obliged to conform to them, sorry.
Nice shooting. At that range my groups are not nearly that tight no matter what bullet I'm shooting. At 180 yards the ttsx do group slightly better so at longer ranges I'm sure this will be more noticeable but both are minute of deer for sure. With al the info that is on here and out on the rest of the web I will have a lot of confidence in both bullets for sure. Although I had lots of confidence in interlocks till last year when I shot a 8point at 30yards with a perfectly placed shot. The buck ran about 50 yards into a swamp and I saw him fall. I got down and went to where I made the shot and there was no blood. I followed the tracks to where I knew he was laying and there was not a single drop of blood till I rolled him over. There was a minimal amount of blood right where he laid. When I gutted him I saw that there was no exit hole and the bullet had completely fragmented when it hit the rib on the opposite side. Now I know dead is dead but if for some reason I hadn't been able to see him go down I would have had a ##### of a time finding him with no blood trail in the marsh. I was a little disappointed with that performance and am making a switch.
Barnes_270
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Well, one factor that comes up with the TTSX fairly often is that the blood trail is not as large as with other bullet types. The typical exit hole for a TTSX is small, so not as much blood loss there compared to a larger exit wound. Might be a factor in your choice. They're not going to bang/flop every time.
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powder burner
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Only living thing that ever died from ingesting lead, in my life experience,are the animals I have shot at.
I'd rather the energy be used up inside the animal, not scooting off down a cut line somewhere.
But hey to each their own.
I'd rather the energy be used up inside the animal, not scooting off down a cut line somewhere.
But hey to each their own.
I'm trying to think of animals that I shot or have seen shot with a TSX, and if a blood trail was required for tracking and I really can't think of one. Most of the animals bang flopped or went a very short distance. One exception was a blacktail I shot a few years ago. I shot him at an angle and only got one lung. He went 75 yards or so.
The blood trail was incredibly impressive. Like someone sprayed red paint all over the snow.
Here was a dramatic blood trail from a bear I shot with a 168gr TSX
It didnt' aid in tracking much, as the bear was laying a few paces away.
Very nice! Not all the blood trails were bad, but many were..I found with the small entrance, and exit most of the bleeding was inside the chest cavity..The bush is very thick here alot of the time where if a deer travels 60yds, that seems like a long ways on a weak blood trail...On snow, not a problem..
I'm with you..Either that,or an exit wound far bigger than the entrance..
Charles Ruth (Wildlife Biologist) did a pretty extensive study of approximately 500 deer taken with various calibers, and bullets..His findings were that just over 20% of animals shot with copper type bulles showed poor sighns of blood, where conventional cup-core was just over 10%..Not huge but when the bush that the deer fled into has a field view of 5yds, a visible blood trail does make a difference..
Also the bang flops with cup-core were higher @ 58%, to 49%...
Pretty good read as far as magazine articles go..
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Johnn Peterson
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Good info. Very interesting.
A while back, at the suggestion of my son in law, I decided to change over to some of todays bullet technology. After looking into some of what's available, I settled on the Barnes TTSX for my hunting needs. Part of the rationale for my decision to switch to the Barnes TTSX rather than their TSX, was the supposedly larger diameter of the HP or hollow cavity of the TTSX. I thought it would probably expand or open up quicker. I haven't done any physical testing to see if this is so but one day I'll have to. Do you know by any chance? I may send a message with that question to Barnes and see what their take is on it.
UPDATE:Letter of inquiry sent to Barnes.
See, this is where I live. The only time in my life I went with a Nosler bullet was about 15 yrs ago and I needed to get a bullet out of my '06 into a deer at ranges bordering on 600yds (farmer imposed restrictions did not allow stalking closer). My whole life I have used commercial rounds by Winchester (and they don't make many "premium" rounds for a 303) or my own hand loads with Sierra game kings or Hornadys. I have taken my fair share of game over the years and have only ever recovered one bullet! I don't think any penetration from a " premium" bullet can better complete pass-throughs from a cup and core bullet.
And, BTW, the recovered bullet was in a 180lb white-tail buck I shot at 70yds with a 123gn plain Jane game king out of an SKS. Bullet was against the skin on the far side, heart gone, deer went less than 25 yds.
To my experience, "premium" bullets is just more than you need. But that's me, and I have never been in a position to have to take that "shot of a lifetime". If I had paid for a hunt, travelled thousands of Km, rode for days to get to that spot, saw nothing for the whole trip, and then spotted a legal target, then maybe I would chance the shot and I would want all I could get for it. But most table hunting can be covered with a plain cup and core bullet.
YMMV.
Step back ask yourself how can a bullet designed and introduced 64 years ago, agreed by most experts to be the best bullet ever developed for hunting and still being used by a very large percentage of big game hunters not be the best option.
Do you think we will even remember what a TTSX was in say 20 years. I don't
Do you think we will even remember what a TTSX was in say 20 years. I don't
Just quoting what many experts say and talking hunting bullets here only and NAmer.. Best ever can mean many things to me Best ever is another HUNTING bullet that sold like the Partition and killed as much game and is still being used today after 64 years and please don't say coreloKt.
So what is your best ever
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Johnn Peterson
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Good info. Very interesting.
A while back, at the suggestion of my son in law, I decided to change over to some of todays bullet technology. After looking into some of what's available, I settled on the Barnes TTSX for my hunting needs. Part of the rationale for my decision to switch to the Barnes TTSX rather than their TSX, was the supposedly larger diameter of the HP or hollow cavity of the TTSX. I thought it would probably expand or open up quicker. I haven't done any physical testing to see if this is so but one day I'll have to. Do you know by any chance? I may send a message with that question to Barnes and see what their take is on it.
UPDATE:Letter of inquiry sent to Barnes.
Just recieved an e-mail reply from Ryan Banks, Consumer Services at Barnes bullets, and it was as follows,
Johnn,
Typically the TTSX will expand quicker due to the larger cavity opening. The difference however is so small that there is no night or day difference.
Thanks
Ryan Banks
Johnn Peterson
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Sorry, that issue never came up and admittedly, while my use of the TTSX to date has been punching paper and testing, I haven't experienced that, yet. I've sent him an e-mail asking and I'll get back to you when he responds.
When I emailed Barnes about the 270gr TSX out of the .375 H&H hardly expanding, their reply was something like - well it is designed for very heavy, tough game.
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You'd still think it would have fully expanded at that high velocity in tough media. I still have some, if anyone wants to do their own testing.
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You'd still think it would have fully expanded at that high velocity in tough media. I still have some, if anyone wants to do their own testing.
Johnn Peterson
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You'd certainly think so. The only TSX I'm planning on using is the 225gr in my 358NM. Again, my use of Barnes in the field is nil but attached is a photo of bullets recovered from my Daughter & Son In Laws hunt in Africa a while back, some of which are Barnes. The bigger calibres they were using were the 375 H&H and a 416 Rem. Mag.
