So how do the NEA Ar's shoot

tritium said:
Let me give a bit of background, I received this gun right out of the box and with the irons mounted on it.

Anyone who knows how to sight an AR would sight it at 25 to get it on paper and then see how it shoots at 100. Read the Marine Corps M16 armourers manual and you will see that is exactly what they do.

So, I sighted the irons and Lucid at 25 then at 100 as per any reasonable firearms test.

As to a blemished gun. I think that anyone who can read between the lines could see that I accepted a gun that was an NEA "second". I believed that it was more important that customers get their guns rather than a tester receive a gun before a customer.

Jeff and Dave did not know I would put an article out. They knew I was talking about one and they both asked for my candid feedback. They, and the Canadian shooting, public got it.

As to the comment about not writing like Peter Kokalis... You're comparing me to him? Awesome!!! I'll buy you a beer! I grew up on his writing and welcome your comparison! I've mostly written police reports regarding everything from assaults to robberies to ###ual assaults to threat assessments and many use of force lesson plans (###ual assaults and threat assessement investigations were my specialities). I've also written many techincal and R&D reports but they were internal and very detailed. Any criticisms that you guys have I'll actually listen to and will accept. I would like to start writing more.

As to QC issues, I've talked extensively with Jeff and Dave at NEA and they will be or already have addressed these issues. I was an operator and instructor and I do know what works.
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What do you mean you 'were' an instructor?
Sir, it is time that you stopped hiding your light under the proverbial bushel, and be recognized, and appreciated, for the experience that you 'bring to the party'...
I, and others, will take what you comment on, as worthy of careful consideration, and if you are willing to be 'on the record' about any product, process, or entity, then it should be appreciated for the wealth of real world experience that you bring to the table.

Your word, and recommendations, are to be taken at face value....24kt. gold.
 
Earl, what some people reading this don't understand is that an old gunslinger like you is more interested in how a firearms works then how it looks.
Sure its nice if the gun looks good, but function is what I think you were interested in.
When others write a review on a gun, they spend much of the time talking about how good the finish is.
But in your case I'm guessing you could not give much of a write up on that due to it being a bit beat up befor you got it.

Will you be doing a review on the new nea gun with the issues fixed?
I.E the finish of the upper lower, t
he milling marks, the finish issue on the barrel the trigger spring weight and the new rail?
Always like to read a good 3rd part review
Don,t meen to speak for you, just think that's what people are missing from this write up.
 
tritium said:
Let me give a bit of background, I received this gun right out of the box and with the irons mounted on it.

Anyone who knows how to sight an AR would sight it at 25 to get it on paper and then see how it shoots at 100. Read the Marine Corps M16 armourers manual and you will see that is exactly what they do.

So, I sighted the irons and Lucid at 25 then at 100 as per any reasonable firearms test.

As to a blemished gun. I think that anyone who can read between the lines could see that I accepted a gun that was an NEA "second". I believed that it was more important that customers get their guns rather than a tester receive a gun before a customer.

Jeff and Dave did not know I would put an article out. They knew I was talking about one and they both asked for my candid feedback. They, and the Canadian shooting, public got it.

As to the comment about not writing like Peter Kokalis... You're comparing me to him? Awesome!!! I'll buy you a beer! I grew up on his writing and welcome your comparison! I've mostly written police reports regarding everything from assaults to robberies to ###ual assaults to threat assessments and many use of force lesson plans (###ual assaults and threat assessement investigations were my specialities). I've also written many techincal and R&D reports but they were internal and very detailed. Any criticisms that you guys have I'll actually listen to and will accept. I would like to start writing more.

As to QC issues, I've talked extensively with Jeff and Dave at NEA and they will be or already have addressed these issues. I was an operator and instructor and I do know what works.
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Good job on the article. i personally would have thought the review would have had greater relevance if NEA would have sent you a rack grade rifle that was no different than what their customers would get. When I read the review about something that's been cobbled together, how much weight or consideration should I, or anyone else, place on the article because of that?

If you do a review on NEA's PDW, I hope they do send you a sample that came right off the assembly line. Just like the one that I might buy.. ;)
 
badboybeeson said:
Earl, what some people reading this don't understand is that an old gunslinger like you is more interested in how a firearms works then how it looks.
Sure its nice if the gun looks good, but function is what I think you were interested in.
When others write a review on a gun, they spend much of the time talking about how good the finish is.
But in your case I'm guessing you could not give much of a write up on that due to it being a bit beat up befor you got it.
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If anyone actually read the article, Earl clearly states as much upfront. There's no room for mis-interpretation.

Like it or not, the fit & finish quality of any product is important to the buyer. If that were not the case, we'd still have an North American automobile industry that was devoid of imports. Firearms are no different.
 
2bad4u2 said:
If anyone actually read the article, Earl clearly states as much upfront. There's no room for mis-interpretation.

Like it or not, the fit & finish quality of any product is important to the buyer. If that were not the case, we'd still have an North American automobile industry that was devoid of imports. Firearms are no different.
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Tell ya what... If NEA will send me an off the rack rifle I'll run it out for accuracy, function, ergonomics, etc. We'll give it a 1000 round, no cleaning, accuracy and reliability test. I'm quite sure there won't be any issues but I'm willing to test, shoot and endorse their gun.

With the sample that I had, I saw few issues related to function and I would be happy and not worried to own one.
 
tritium said:
Tell ya what... If NEA will send me an off the rack rifle I'll run it out for accuracy, function, ergonomics, etc. We'll give it a 1000 round, no cleaning, accuracy and reliability test. I'm quite sure there won't be any issues but I'm willing to test, shoot and endorse their gun.

With the sample that I had, I saw few issues related to function and I would be happy and not worried to own one.
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If the rifle passed your mustre I'm sure it would be worthy of a ringing endorsement.
 
a second look article is very much a necessity, its not fair to anyone to review a parts gun, as your work will be some of the basis of what folks are going to expect to get. Also dissected pics of the gun would be nice, as well as dissected pics of after 1000 rounds :)
 
badboybeeson said:
Your joking right?

Milling marks of the upper and lower and the finish issues on the bbl,s
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Earls receivers were blems.. Like was stated, they weren't even tumbled. His rifle is not representative of production rifles.

Our barrels however have no blems or finish issues that I have seen on any of our barrels. The form of finishing we use does not provide any inconsistencies in finish, it's not something the processing can do. It's a process done on the molecular level.

Our barrel manufacturing technique on a level technologically that we do 500 barrels on one set of rough/ream and chamber tools. We're not going to employ a procedure like this and skimp on the finishing (this leads to barrels getting their bores parkerized ;) )

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Unless you mean the grey finish which is a result of the processing. Some barrels are darker due to being oiled. Some barrels while shooting cook off the oil and have a different appearance while in use.
 
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North Eastern Arms said:
Earls receivers were blems.. Like was stated, they weren't even tumbled. His rifle is not representative of production rifles.

Our barrels however have no blems or finish issues that I have seen on any of our barrels. The form of finishing we use does not provide any inconsistencies in finish, it's not something the processing can do. It's a process done on the molecular level.

Our barrel manufacturing technique on a level technologically that we do 500 barrels on one set of rough/ream and chamber tools. We're not going to employ a procedure like this and skimp on the finishing (this leads to barrels getting their bores parkerized ;) )

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Unless you mean the grey finish which is a result of the processing. Some barrels are darker due to being oiled. Some barrels while shooting cook off the oil and have a different appearance while in use.
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Yes skimping is a mad thing when you sell a product and say its as good or better then LMT.
We have had issues in the past when we were still parkerizing our bbls, if. Not sealed correctly you get park in the bore or chamber.
I think everyone understand that a parked chamber of bore is not a good thing.

We have been doing a nitrate finish on our AR15 barrels which I'm sure you know already and have not had the inconsistent finish issues that we have see on the NEA products.
Maybe we can help you with that?
As for getting 500 chambers out of a set of carbide reamers, maybe you can explain how that's done. I've never known anyone to be able to do that, as you end up with really really rought chambers
BBB
 
Wow.... I'm not going to get dragged into a interweb pissing match with a dealer.


As to how we can get that life out of cutters.. it's all in the process. I know of two other companies using the same tech to chamber as we are and they are getting the same life. We consulted with many manufacturers and suppliers for advice before starting and a few were nice enough to share some inside information. It's not voodoo or anything.. it's all in the process. We did give the voodoo a shot first though and tried the chickens blood, it was pretty gummy though.
 
Stevo said:
Dealer ##### fight. So professional.
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Great, directly competing AR15 barrel modifyers fighting it out about who's got a better product.

IBTL.

Seriously though, neither NEA nor BBB "make barrels". They machine blanks to fit an AR15 and then process finish them. There is a difference and not all blanks are equal either.

As for BBB showing up and chucking sh!t in an NEA thread - bad form. Unless NEA is doing the same in your threads, which I haven't noticed, you are risking losing my respect.
 
Claven2 said:
As for BBB showing up and chucking sh!t in an NEA thread - bad form. Unless NEA is doing the same in your threads, which I haven't noticed, you are risking losing my respect.
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Well, God forbid we shouldn't have that! ;)

Ok, BBB. It's time for you to take a time out...:D

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