So, how do you deal with Anti's you "meet" in the field?

Two Sides...

Once, back in Ont-terrible, while bird hunting, I was stopped and photographed by to youngish very urban university types, and got the usual blah-blah-blah pontification...I was young, stupified and frankly didn't say too much. Ah the curse of manners and an even temperment.

Here in the Territories (NWT), I'd guess (and it's only my guess) that 80% or higher of the households have some type of firearm in the house and use to get food or for some sporting pursuit. And I've never even had a sideways glace while footing around outside of town with a rifle or shotgun...

The north is a true outdoor paradise, although I'm loathe to mention it, as I'm fond of our low population levels...lol
 
my one and only experiance happened this past spring, had an encounter with the "Horsey Set". th provincial forest we where in is a popular place for horse back riding, turns out the was a big group of them camped out there, so we camped in right along with them no complaints. we made sure to go at least a few miles out before starting to hunt. the second last day we where up there, i was sitting back at the truck, empty Enfield across my lap half asleep in the warm afternoon sun, my companion up a tree about a klick down the trail. all of a sudden i hear a woman screaming "DON't SHOOT!!" scared the bejeezus out of me. look over and there is two woman and a man on horses, and a small buggy with an old man and a couple kids.she starts freaking

her "what the hell are you doing?!"

me " uh, um, bear hunting" very confused by this sudden interogation, remember i was half asleep...

her "you know there is gonna be a lot of horses on these trails, you should hunt somewhere else"

me " well we thought we where far enough away, and have just as much right to be out here as you do"

her " are thre more of you?"

me " yeah, my buddie's up tree a ways down and off the trail"

she starts panicking again " i'm not going down there if there's some one with a rifle, what the hell are you thinking?"

"that you don't look much like a bear wearing a pink tanktop and riding a brown and white horse so i think your safe." they turned around and went back the other way, complaining that we shouldn't be there. i can't even say she was anti hunting, just felt like they had the sole right to be there. and to be fair to the rest of the horse people, these where the only ones that gave us a problem, the others where nice and friendly and shared their fire. the whole thing irritated me till i got my bear, which was much smaller then i first thought and led to a whole round of anti hunting remarks from friends and family who heard about it. got tired of explaining it that when a cousin asdked how i could beso heartless as to shoot a little one i gave up and replied "easy, you just don't lead em so much"

i'm going to hell
 
kevin.303

I had my nephews wife talking to me about hunting bears when I was back in NZ a year ago. I was showing them a bunch of pic's one of which inculded a bear and she said how can you shot that nice bear?
I replied "easy." and when one"Then you clean it out, skin it, clean the hide up and then make a baby on the bear rug!"

That changed the subject quickly!:D
 
I had my nephews wife talking to me about hunting bears when I was back in NZ a year ago. I was showing them a bunch of pic's one of which inculded a bear and she said how can you shot that nice bear?
I replied "easy." and when one"Then you clean it out, skin it, clean the hide up and then make a baby on the bear rug!"

That changed the subject quickly!
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reminds me of that quote given by that russian sniper after world war 2...

interviewer - "Did you find it difficult? To kill humans like that i mean?"

Sniper - " Yes, they're always dodging around but you just have to lead them a bit and it's fine."
 
I had a very similar experience to Jay's just around a month ago while out coyote hunting on land where I have been ASKED to try and thin out some coyotes due to predation of sheep and calves.
I think I handled it much the same way Jay did.
I was just about to cross a rail fence when a car rolls up (dead end road)and the woman inside asks me "what are you hunting?" in a hurried tone.
I thought... "here we go" but finally said "coyote"
She goes ape-####.Starting IIRC with -"Why dont you leave them alone? We like them and the deer."etc. babble,yahda,blah,wah.
I said "calm down, I've been asked to take afew coyotes because they are killing sheep etc. "
Her- "By who?.....I suppose the W*****'s ?" (people who own the land I WAS ON's name) In the snottiest tone you can imagine.
I said "yeah,,,them and the M*******'s" (another land owner's name close by)
Her-"OHHH sheep have a high mortality rate anyway!!!!!Why dont you just leave them(coyotes) alone ???!!!"
Then she follows with a threat.
"Well,If you come up to the **** farm-(at the very end of the dead end road,where she is obviously from)-Somebody will be taking a POT SHOT AT YOU!" (while pointing and shaking her finger at me)
I said ,"lady do you understand what you just said to me?" I dont think its a good idea to be saying things like that to people. You dont even know me."
Then I got started a bit by saying "We (hunters) arent all bad and just dont go around killing indiscriminately.You have to calm down."
She backed off a tad and says "Well I can tell you arent too bad a person cause you didnt tell me to go #### myself!" Honestly! this ole broad said exactly that.
I said "There is no point in me saying that to you as it just strengthens your resolve in the matter and makes me look as irrational as you ,right now.
Anyway this went on back and forth for about 6-8 minutes and she brings up things like,, "people who hunt and kill are the same people who are against abortion,,,,IMAGINE A TINY CLUSTER OF BLOOD VESSELS AND THEY ARE AGAINST A WOMAN CHOOSING TO TERMINATING IT,ITS NOT A LIFE AT THAT POINT !!!!!!!!!!!! Not screaming but close to it.
I finally said "look, I dont necessarily disagree with that but I wasn't prepared to debate or to defend what I was doing. You wont see things my way and I wont see it your way.Just remember we are not all bad and we dont all take "POT SHOTS" at the first thing that lopes out into our view."
I had the old blister smile on at least two occasions(probably realised what a fool she made of herself and her stand on things)
Anyway as she left she said "I can tell you are a nice guy that does bad things from time to time."(me a nice guy)
I said "that is your opinion,try to have a care!"

I talked later to the land owner and he tells me that he's pretty sure this broad has been in a mental institution in the past.
I dont know if its true or not but the day I ran into her she certainly belonged in a straight jacket.
Most of these pukes are so irrational its almost funny....really.
This has been condensed and I have forgotten many other things she yipped at me but anyway its similar to Jays experience in that I remained composed.
Good thing I had the rifle and not her.
 
Happened to a friend

On the big Island a friend was actually blocked from legally hunting deer by a motor home full of antis. Having a 4X4 he found a way around them and continued up the logging trail. He spotted a buck up the hill got out walked up the hill a bit and took the buck. (legally) After field dressing he dragged it to the truck and was loading when here comes the motor home. They piled out and start ragging on him. He just finished loading, smiled, tipped his hat, and went home leaving some of the tree huggers actually crying.

Thats what to do with anti's:dancingbanana:
 
I know that people have been charged and successfully prosecuted for interfering with hunters in Ontario. I also know that the Game Wardens would really like to lay more of these charges but many times the OPP get there first and they don't know the fish and game act and usually do not operate under that mandate.:(
This type of crime is an assault on a law abiding citizens by criminals and needs to be prosecuted every time and we as hunters need to step up and ensure that it does. If the shoe was on the other foot and we broke the law while hunting there would be no quarter given and the antis would revel in our misfortune.:eek:
Twenty five years of debate and the antis have only grown stronger.
Don't debate them, don't apologize or placate them in any way, this is seen as a victory by these sick bastards. Just tell them to shut up and back off or they will be charged, if they don't desist immediately then call the Game Warden and the OPP. Make sure you tell the OPP that they have violated the fish and game act and you insist that a Game Warden investigate these charges.:mad:
I'm Serious.
 
Only in Canada would an unarmed person out in the middle of nowhere, feel safe to verbally abuse someone that is armed. :rolleyes:
 
One of my friends is an anti-hunter and she knows that I hunt. We never debate about it she knows my views and I in turn know hers. We just agree to disagree! Too bad everyone can't act like this.
 
Calum said:
Only in Canada would an unarmed person out in the middle of nowhere, feel safe to verbally abuse someone that is armed. :rolleyes:
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How true is that Calum?!! I think you hit the nail on the head with that statement.

"Hey....look....there's a guy with a gun....let's go give him a talking too!!"

Which in turn is further proof that alot of people know that us Canadian's with guns they meet out in the woods are not only harmless, we're TOLERANT!!
 
I had an ecology lecture where the proff had been talking about his experiences studying barren ground caribou and how much work it was shooting all those caribou for sampling (he showed a picture to some of us later which looked remarkably similar to a buffalo hunter's - him standing over a nice bull with his rifle and in the background dozens of dead caribou scattered across the tundra and several people working on them).

A girl asked him 'how he could hunt and kill poor innocent creatures'. He simply moved on and did not dignify her with an answer. However, when another student asked 'but how do you answer an anti-hunter like her?' he then replied:

'Anti-hunting arguments tend to be based solely on emotion and there is no arguing sensibly and logically with emotion. So what I say is that I have an innate, irresistibly powerful need to kill. If I couldn't kill 'poor innocent creatures', then I would beat my dog, yell at my kids, and kill my neighbours. Hunting pacifies my blood-lust and makes me a good citizen.'

One of the more memorable moments from post-secondary.
 
Despite the above post it's not what I do when talking to anti-hunters. I don't think the facetious 'born a psychotic' approach is best (way too many people saying 'it's ok, I was born this way' and way too many people that take the above seriously?).

I don't bother with any arguments other than:
I am a omnivore and a part of the natural cycle of life and death.
My goal is the same as the wolf's - to kill and eat. It is because the wolves are my competition, among other things, that I kill them too, just as the wolf kills the coyote or other wolves. Also, because I am a human and have the capacity for higher-order thought, I can and do complicate the means and reasons of how and why I pursue my goal.

Some --statements from anti-hunters and my -rebuttals:
--You could just buy your meat -I prefer to eat more 'natural' foods and I enjoy harvesting my own food.
--Hunting is cruel -Life is cruel (provide examples of a lynx teaching its young to hunt with a hare, or of wolves hamstringing a moose and dogging it for days before it dies from blood loss as the wolves take bites from its rump).
--You could become a vegetarian/vegan -It's against my beliefs.
--Red meat is unhealthy -Red meat is healthy.

If I ever met one in the field I'd tell them I was busy and invite them to meet me for a beer or coffee and we could discuss it then.
 
"Innocent?" I saw this buck ###ually assaulting a female deer without her consent. So because I stand up for ALL women's rights, I shot him.



(Wait for their confused look to dissipate.)


And then I shot HER because I had the proper tag!!!!!! :dancingbanana: :dancingbanana:
 
Believe me, all of my relatives and friends are either pro or indifferent toward hunting. But three years ago I began school at the University of Toronto, and even bringing up hunting gets you scowls. A lot of people are just disgusted by it, although without and good reason.

44fordy said:
WHERE are these "anti's" you speak of??? I can't seem to find any..and honestly...I've looked!! I work in a Fed Public Service Headquarters...for 8 years....and I can't find ANY!!

I can't speak for Toronto (downtown), but I know there's alot of hunters from there. I meet them every year moose hunting.

Rural Ontario, is about as hunting as you can get. And I've lived here for 35 years.

So, if you want to base your assumptions on anti-hunting crap, then go talk to the source. (PETA, Jack Layton) You're going to get anti's in BIG populations. Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver. You don't get anti's living in f*ing Robuck!!

Sorry, but all this anti-Ontario propaghanda BS, from whatever sources you guys retrieve it from gets really tiresome after a while.
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HAHAHAHA!
That plays like a scene out of some National Lampoons movie.

powdergun said:
On the big Island a friend was actually blocked from legally hunting deer by a motor home full of antis. Having a 4X4 he found a way around them and continued up the logging trail. He spotted a buck up the hill got out walked up the hill a bit and took the buck. (legally) After field dressing he dragged it to the truck and was loading when here comes the motor home. They piled out and start ragging on him. He just finished loading, smiled, tipped his hat, and went home leaving some of the tree huggers actually crying.

Thats what to do with anti's:dancingbanana:
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