So, how do you deal with Anti's you "meet" in the field?
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Slut had it coming
Anyway - on the west coast it's not that hard to shut down most anti's. Most aren't "Serious" antis, they are kind of half hearted ones.
Most will cave pretty quick to the argument introduced by one of the bcwf members some time ago - "do you think we should eat wild salmon or 'farmed' salmon'? (salmon farming is hated by 'environmental' types out this way). "Well - this is no different, we believe in wild meat not farmed meat and for exactly the same reasons. And there's only one way to get it".
When you point out to anti's that you'd rather have meat that's NOT been raised on antibiotics, NOT been given steriods, NOT been fed members of it's own species, NOT raised in a pen all it's life, and that you don't promote 'Big Box" commerical mega-farming they sympathize pretty quick. "you prefer free-range chicken right? Well what the heck do you think a grouse is?"
Also - its quite proven that hunting has the LEAST impact on the environment than ANY OTHER form of food gathering. It's less than vegitable farming, less than fishing, less than cattle raising (espeically when you take into account the environmental cost of the machines to harvest and store the foods.)
Pretty soon they'll say something like "well i can understand that - i wouldn't do it but i see where you're coming from".
It's like judo - use the weight of your opponent's own arguments against 'em
Foxer said:Slut had it coming
Anyway - on the west coast it's not that hard to shut down most anti's. Most aren't "Serious" antis, they are kind of half hearted ones.
Most will cave pretty quick to the argument introduced by one of the bcwf members some time ago - "do you think we should eat wild salmon or 'farmed' salmon'? (salmon farming is hated by 'environmental' types out this way). "Well - this is no different, we believe in wild meat not farmed meat and for exactly the same reasons. And there's only one way to get it".
When you point out to anti's that you'd rather have meat that's NOT been raised on antibiotics, NOT been given steriods, NOT been fed members of it's own species, NOT raised in a pen all it's life, and that you don't promote 'Big Box" commerical mega-farming they sympathize pretty quick. "you prefer free-range chicken right? Well what the heck do you think a grouse is?"
Also - its quite proven that hunting has the LEAST impact on the environment than ANY OTHER form of food gathering. It's less than vegitable farming, less than fishing, less than cattle raising (espeically when you take into account the environmental cost of the machines to harvest and store the foods.)
Pretty soon they'll say something like "well i can understand that - i wouldn't do it but i see where you're coming from".
It's like judo - use the weight of your opponent's own arguments against 'em
Sage advice. I have had conversations with anti's and it usually goes like this
Anti "Why can't you just go to Safeway?"
me "Is a cow's life worth less than a deer's life?"
Anti "No"
Me "Well, I guess that you don't really stand for animal rights, you support cute animal rights. How shallow."
I haven't got a good comeback on that yet. We'll see.
up were we moose hunt...we are about 1 1/2 hours from the nearest house or phone... so we only get to see low life hunters like ourselves ..
at our deer camp.... its private property..so if we meet up with an anti.. they just get the boot ..
..at our deer camp.... its private property..so if we meet up with an anti.. they just get the boot
..Never had the problem here but a nice stiff F.U. would do it.You can't debate anything to do with hunting when it comes to those milk fed panty waists so why bother.Actually it would piss me off if they even talked to me like i care what they think.
I would havejust asked buddy if he had a daughter, and if she was hot? No daughter? How about a wife or even a mother? Are any of them hot?
Can I get thier phone #'s? I'm feeling kinda horny....You know, You are looking pretty good to me, too. Do you think Ned Beatty secretly really liked his experiences in the woods?
Can I get thier phone #'s? I'm feeling kinda horny....You know, You are looking pretty good to me, too. Do you think Ned Beatty secretly really liked his experiences in the woods?
I don't think I want to be in the same wood with you!!Gatehouse said:I would havejust asked buddy if he had a daughter, and if she was hot? No daughter? How about a wife or even a mother? Are any of them hot?
Can I get thier phone #'s? I'm feeling kinda horny....You know, You are looking pretty good to me, too. Do you think Ned Beatty secretly really liked his experiences in the woods?
Grouse Man said:"Innocent?" I saw this buck ###ually assaulting a female deer without her consent. So because I stand up for ALL women's rights, I shot him.
(Wait for their confused look to dissipate.)
And then I shot HER because I had the proper tag!!!!!!
Oh my god I laughed so hard when I read that. Good thing it is bright and early and only a few other of my co-workers are in the office otherwise I'd be getting a LOT of strange looks.
Meet an anti in the field? First see if you can get them to tell you their name, or get their license no. Then say something like. " I'm Oscar Hatchet. My people, the Cree/ Micmac/ Dogrib...whatever ... have hunted this land for thousands of years. Now you racist bastards come and curse me for my heritage? I'm charging you with a hate crime, you Nazi scum. Our band has a special fund to prosecute swine like you."
I used to banter a bit with those types, now I just use my standard line;
When they ask me "how can you kill a moose/deer/bear/etc" I answer them with "I wound way more than I kill......." That ends the conversation.
I think a good old fashioned "mind your own business ass-kickin' " is what these guys need.....
They confront people as they don't believe anything will happen to them....they think they have a right to question/argue with/confront without any fear of reprisal.......
They are also the ones we read about in the paper who spit at/push/ fight with police and wonder why they get pepper sprayed and slapped out.
When they ask me "how can you kill a moose/deer/bear/etc" I answer them with "I wound way more than I kill......." That ends the conversation.
I think a good old fashioned "mind your own business ass-kickin' " is what these guys need.....
They confront people as they don't believe anything will happen to them....they think they have a right to question/argue with/confront without any fear of reprisal.......
They are also the ones we read about in the paper who spit at/push/ fight with police and wonder why they get pepper sprayed and slapped out.
my personal favorites so far are the "cute animal rights" and the " How do you hunt humans? You just have to lead a little"
As much as It may be Extemely satisfying to do some of these things to these people, I wish we could win them over.
The more people who love guns the better. Now if only we could get our mp's hooked. mabye get them their PALs and a SKS? One of my personal fantasies. it would be nice to get more gunners in there. or invite them out to the range or something
As much as It may be Extemely satisfying to do some of these things to these people, I wish we could win them over.
The more people who love guns the better. Now if only we could get our mp's hooked. mabye get them their PALs and a SKS? One of my personal fantasies. it would be nice to get more gunners in there. or invite them out to the range or something
This past spring Nugget and I were out checking his bear bait. As we swung around a corner in the middle of nowhere is this woman, drunk as a skunk and trying to thumb a ride. My conscience kicked in as we blazed by so I backed up. Dan ended up knowing who she was. Kicked out of her house and on the run from her "husband". Well, it didn't take long to see she wasn't going to make it to Caroline by the time she figured, I was getting a buzz just from her booze breath in the truck!
So off we go, not too long later we told her we had to make a stop to check the bait and then we could drop her off on a more travelled road to get a ride from there. It didn't take long and she was all over us for killing defensive little bears and looking for women to pick up to have ### with!!!!!!!
Aye Carumba, that was enough for me so I politely told her we have enough trouble of our own with our wives and kids at home to worry about than to go out checking for bears and a little foriegnacation (sp). That set her back on her heels for a bit.
We checked the bait, nothing there, and carried on our merry way to highway 22 to listen to some more of her ranting. By the time we got to the highway I was wondering why I didn't take her back to where we had picked her up, or maybe even tied her up to the bait barrel! J/K.
Being that she was so drunk she had trouble enough on her own I bit my lip for most of it. I'm not one for confrontation and so I am used to taking alot of crap anyway, hopefully I can get the right words rolling off my tongue some day. I doubt it would have helped much to say anything anyway. Who knows....
Now where's that "confrontations for dummies" book?
Noel
So off we go, not too long later we told her we had to make a stop to check the bait and then we could drop her off on a more travelled road to get a ride from there. It didn't take long and she was all over us for killing defensive little bears and looking for women to pick up to have ### with!!!!!!!
Aye Carumba, that was enough for me so I politely told her we have enough trouble of our own with our wives and kids at home to worry about than to go out checking for bears and a little foriegnacation (sp). That set her back on her heels for a bit.
We checked the bait, nothing there, and carried on our merry way to highway 22 to listen to some more of her ranting. By the time we got to the highway I was wondering why I didn't take her back to where we had picked her up, or maybe even tied her up to the bait barrel! J/K.
Being that she was so drunk she had trouble enough on her own I bit my lip for most of it. I'm not one for confrontation and so I am used to taking alot of crap anyway, hopefully I can get the right words rolling off my tongue some day. I doubt it would have helped much to say anything anyway. Who knows....
Now where's that "confrontations for dummies" book?
Noel
BlastingChipmunk said:
Actually, you may have something here... I'm not sure where I'd start, but I'm sure we all agree that the most sympathetic ear would be one that's also part of the legal gun community, and enjoys its benefits. Why not make as many politicians fit that description? If you ever meet anybody even thinking about politics, make sure he (or especially she) comes up to the range with you. Bring your most fun guns, and make sure they hit a cowboy match or something, and get hooked.
DarkGreen
mabye some sort of event, something that would give them incentive to come out, mabye a shooting match for charity?, would give them good press. get some mps showing up, and then get them and other people who have never shot before to try it out, a super friendly thing. (MUST get the media involved, mabye get them to shoot too. Peter MansBridge Packing ) Something to show everyone we are very nice people who arnt babykillers. (mabye donate the money to victims of gun crime? or mabye abused kids? would help to distance ourselves from the F***ers who kill random people.)
There random musings about how we could get people into our community, sorry about the thread hijack, just my thoughts on how to combat antis
) Something to show everyone we are very nice people who arnt babykillers. (mabye donate the money to victims of gun crime? or mabye abused kids? would help to distance ourselves from the F***ers who kill random people.)There random musings about how we could get people into our community, sorry about the thread hijack, just my thoughts on how to combat antis
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first all when dealing with those people you got to be polite
it sucks but if your belligerent it gives them ammunition (pardon the pun) that all gun owners and hunter are dumb ass rednecks
I don't hunt myself but i do respect hunters you might want ot pont out that hunters care as much about the enviroment as the granola heads duck unlimited is the best example of this.
BTW if your wearing a mask,, make sure you take it off look at these people in the eye.
I have had some interesting debates with some of these people and they love to try it flame you out but more you hit them with your veiw politically correct they more they get PO'ED then you have ammunition
it sucks but if your belligerent it gives them ammunition (pardon the pun) that all gun owners and hunter are dumb ass rednecks
I don't hunt myself but i do respect hunters you might want ot pont out that hunters care as much about the enviroment as the granola heads duck unlimited is the best example of this.
BTW if your wearing a mask,, make sure you take it off look at these people in the eye.
I have had some interesting debates with some of these people and they love to try it flame you out but more you hit them with your veiw politically correct they more they get PO'ED then you have ammunition
BlastingChipmunk said:mabye some sort of event, something that would give them incentive to come out, mabye a shooting match for charity?, would give them good press. get some mps showing up, and then get them and other people who have never shot before to try it out, a super friendly thing. (MUST get the media involved, mabye get them to shoot too. Peter MansBridge Packing
There random musings about how we could get people into our community, sorry about the thread hijack, just my thoughts on how to combat antis
Good idea. We'd have to make sure the media coverage would be covered from a few different sources (harder for just one reporter to 'spin' if 10 others say different).
One thing I'm not sure about as a shooter is to donate to victims of gun crime because I'm a shooter. I'd do it as an ordinary citizen, but I don't think it's a good thing to associate our pastime with an anti-social, hateful act that has nothing to do with us. It's essentially what the antis try to do when they confront legal shooters.
A media event is nice, but how many do you think would go for it? For a politician, it's a big opportunity to be painted in a bad light. But many might be a bit more receptive to it on an informal basis.
I love the idea of a charity shoot, though - something that is immediate and serves the local community. Most shooters I know are very community-oriented, and would be proud to do stuff like this.
Sorry to hijack the thread... Perhaps we can discuss in the action forums...
DarkGreen
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Last year during the controlled deer hunt I kept hearing what I thought was heavy equipment backing up. Because I was hunting near the town I just brushed it off. The next week after the controlled (shotgun) was over I was out with my bow and I saw this ####### from my stand walking around my truck , about 750 yds away,blowing an airhorn. Now my truck is my work truck and it has my phone # on the side. I didn't go over there becasue I had permission to be on the property for 1 and 2 I didn't want to ruin my hunt.
So he leaves and 1/2 later so do I thinking he probably scared everthing away anyway. So I go home change into my work clothes and go to work. That's when My wife phones and tells me the police are at my house giving her a hard time because I was gun hunting out of season, and they want to talk to me. So I phone the cops myself and explain that this so called "concerned citizen" is an anti that was blowing his airhorn during the hunt and what I thought was heavy eqip was this guy in the bush scaring the deer. The cop then procededs to ask me about why I am illegally hunting over bait?????? I then proceed to tell the cop that it's not illegal to hunt over bait, and he tells me that Mr. concerned citizen told him it was and he was just going by what he said. I finally smooth everthing over with Det. Cleuseau.
and phone the MNR to file a complaint. After leaving all sorts of messages a CO for my WMU phones me up acts all interested in helping me out with this anti who is "illegally interfereing with a hunt" then procedes to do absolutely nothing never phones me back and never goes and talks to the guy??
Anyway the moral of the story is You can't threaten these people or you'll have your guns taken away. Buy this I will promise you If I hear an airhorn this year now that I know what it is I will shove it right up that guy's ass and that is no threat it is a guarantee
So he leaves and 1/2 later so do I thinking he probably scared everthing away anyway. So I go home change into my work clothes and go to work. That's when My wife phones and tells me the police are at my house giving her a hard time because I was gun hunting out of season, and they want to talk to me. So I phone the cops myself and explain that this so called "concerned citizen" is an anti that was blowing his airhorn during the hunt and what I thought was heavy eqip was this guy in the bush scaring the deer. The cop then procededs to ask me about why I am illegally hunting over bait?????? I then proceed to tell the cop that it's not illegal to hunt over bait, and he tells me that Mr. concerned citizen told him it was and he was just going by what he said. I finally smooth everthing over with Det. Cleuseau.
and phone the MNR to file a complaint. After leaving all sorts of messages a CO for my WMU phones me up acts all interested in helping me out with this anti who is "illegally interfereing with a hunt" then procedes to do absolutely nothing never phones me back and never goes and talks to the guy??
Anyway the moral of the story is You can't threaten these people or you'll have your guns taken away. Buy this I will promise you If I hear an airhorn this year now that I know what it is I will shove it right up that guy's ass and that is no threat it is a guarantee
