So last Friday I bought an M-14...

t-star said:
then they know NOTHING about m14 rifles or garands-to see what i mean, pull up stevespages.com/pdf/springfield_m1garand.pdf- what you had there was a case of misinformation spread by the old "they told 2 fiends and so on- had somebody actually got out a MANUAL AND LOOKED IT UP, you would have seen the folly- if your's doesn't work, then it's been incorrectly assembled or it's missing pieces- it's NOT there "just for show-" i have an ancient 305 and it is an EXACT DUPLICATE of the m14 rear sight- and it works properly- you MAY have to disassempble yours or get somebody like hungry or m14 doctor or somebody that's EXPERIENCED IN GARANDS to diagnose what's wrong with it- the fact that it won't move is proof there's DEFINATELY something WRONG with it- now, the FIRST thing to check is the WINDAGE KNOB nut- this is on the right side, in the CENTER OF THE WINDAGE KNOB- if this is done up TOO TIGHT , the WINDAGE KNOB WON'T MOVE likewise, if it's TOO LOOSE OR NOT THERE AT ALL, the windage knob will not move- it's THIS NUT that i pulled off and loctited into place AFTER MAKING SURE IT HAD THE CORRECT TENSION to make it work- yes, i COUNTED THE TURNS it took to make it too tight, and again for too loose, and then again for the correct tension- you can use your M14 COMBO TOOL- THAT FUNNY THING THAT'S STOWED IN THE BUTTSTOCK - the BLADE on the socket end is meant for this
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Thank for the response, I/we did look at the manual and there was no indication about on how or if the rears were adjustable. I know from others (Real m14,Garand's ect.) that this is the case, but didnt think this was the case being a chinese copy. I assumed with the report of it not being adjustable and no movement and without any clear refference to how ect, it wasnt. Yes I understood what the tool was for and what the parts do.
ht tp://www.m14.ca/manuals/Polytech_M305_Manual.pdf

We however did look again today and they do move now. now to re-zero.
 
maybe the m14 manual you have has been "sterilized" for consumption on the net- the SPRINGFIELD m1a manual should also supply the same information, possibly with PICTURES-that ALWAYS HELPS- that and experience- i've got the ARMOURER'S manual as well as the technical -there should be MOUNTAINS OF INFORMATION on this , considering the rifle is 54 YEARS OLD, and nothing but a GARAND with an IMPROVED gas system and 20 round mag- THEREFORE, all the GARAND tricks apply to the m1a/m14- and it was used in competition for many years as well
i went to the site you gave me - it's in the second INSET figure - under nomenclature-
 
t-star said:
1) 2) the REAR sight is the key for BOTH ELEVATION AND WINDAGE- the ONLY time you move the front sight is if the REAR sight doesn't allow enough latitude for your load- and that SHOULD be set for a 147-150 grain load moving at approx 2700-2800 fps
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Pardon? Windage should be left on center mark in the rear and the front sight used to zero the rifle. The front sight is not capable of elevation adjustment. Well thats unless you decide to file it down.
 
Seafury said:
Pardon? Windage should be left on center mark in the rear and the front sight used to zero the rifle. The front sight is not capable of elevation adjustment. Well thats unless you decide to file it down.
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i said LATITUDE- that means HORIZONTAL , NOT VERTICAL/altitude-, if you can't get it to zero horizontally, then you move the FRONT SIGHT in the direction OPPOSITE TO WHERE YOU WANT TO GO- i know the front sight isn't capable of elevation like it is on the m16 series
go look it up - it's on page 38 tm9-1005-223-23- or under ZEROING THE GARAND RIFLE
while we're at it, i hope NOBODY takes a BRASS HAMMER AND DRIFT to the front sight- it's adjusted by ALLEN KEY and that's NOT IN YOUR BUTTSTOCK KIT
 
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Thanks for all the help!

It turns out, the windage knob screw was indeed too tight, would not move. When I loosened it today I could make the whole assembly move left/right.

As for the front sight on dovetail, we loosened the nut with an Allen Key, then very lightly tapped it over to the left. Now that this is set zero, I can adjust for wind using the right rear drum, and bring it back to zero at the end of the day. Sadly, when loosening it today, my elevation zero might be a click off, or maybe not.
 
TACTICAL111 said:
I can account, that after 3000 rounds the trigger becomes a two stage, and a REALLY nice 2 stage, you'll love it.

Don't lap it, just shoot the hell out of it, it'll lap itself.
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3000 rounds to break it in? I dunno if I have that kind of money to do this in a reasonable time! :D :D
 
I just got my first M14 too (Polytech M305) and hit the range today. I had a blast! I know these guns aren't exactly match rifles, but it is very impressive how much Chinese firepower fun you get for under 500 bucks.

I think I'm addicted too... good thing my first M14 shorty is already on the way... and a red dot scope... and a UTG rail...:rolleyes:

If I can get things setup and revise my 6N quick enough, I plan on bringing the shorty to Oklahoma with me. I'm headed down there to hunt turkeys in April, and my buddy's say the hogs are getting to be a problem so I should bring a rifle. I'll have to grab a real 20 round mag to enjoy while I'm down there on my bi-annual visits:cool:
 
The Baron said:
I just got my first M14 too (Polytech M305) and hit the range today. I had a blast! I know these guns aren't exactly match rifles, but it is very impressive how much Chinese firepower fun you get for under 500 bucks.

I think I'm addicted too... good thing my first M14 shorty is already on the way... and a red dot scope... and a UTG rail...:rolleyes:

If I can get things setup and revise my 6N quick enough, I plan on bringing the shorty to Oklahoma with me. I'm headed down there to hunt turkeys in April, and my buddy's say the hogs are getting to be a problem so I should bring a rifle. I'll have to grab a real 20 round mag to enjoy while I'm down there on my bi-annual visits:cool:
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Sounds great but make sure you don't bring your chinese rifle to the border if you ever want to see it again. They have be not allowed in the U.S. since '94 if memory serves me right.
 
Satain said:
Sounds great but make sure you don't bring your chinese rifle to the border if you ever want to see it again. They have be not allowed in the U.S. since '94 if memory serves me right.
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Hmmm... good tip and an issue I never even thought of. Indeed a little quick web research seems to support the notion that Chinese firearms aren't welcome in the US. So my visions of blasting hogs with my Norc shorty didn't last very long.:( and the ol' Marlin 1895 is back in the pole position. Makes me sad though... guess I need to get my hands on a Springfield M1A if I've ever going to lay into a herd of bacon with an M14.;)
 
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Are you sure you couldnt just make the norinco m14s 922R compliant by swapping out , i think its usually 5-7 parts of the firearms to us made parts to have it allowable ? I would contact the ATF as i remember reading something about this in the 6N form information pdf.
 
I will contact the BATF there to check. They are surprisingly good to deal with on the phone, in my experience. But I don't want to hijack RickR1100's good thread, so I'll post some stuff back on topic...

When I pulled my 2009 batch, synthetic M305 out of the box I was very pleased with the overall rig considering the price. Like RickR1100's rifle, my flash hider has no slots cut in it - some sort of diabolical Chinese plan to spot out muzzle flashes from space, I assume.

My cocking handle also has sharp enough edges to be uncomfortable to operate, so I guess I'll either round them off or wear a glove. I took mine to the range with a bunch of 110gr. hand loads a friend whipped up for me to try. I didn't have to do much adjusting to get it on at 50m and I found the elevation adjustments on the rear site were very positive, but I had no need to touch the windage yet. My rifle definitely shoots better than minute of pumpkin, so it will be interesting to try some more typical ammo (i.e. heavier bullets).
 
The Baron said:
Hmmm... good tip and an issue I never even thought of. Indeed a little quick web research seems to support the notion that Chinese firearms aren't welcome in the US. So my visions of blasting hogs with my Norc shorty didn't last very long.:( and the ol' Marlin 1895 is back in the pole position. Makes me sad though... guess I need to get my hands on a Springfield M1A if I've ever going to lay into a herd of bacon with an M14.;)
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thanks to the FEDERAL LIBERAL GOVERNMENT, your WISH could be FULFILLED north of the border- there's THOUSANDS of EUROPEAN WILD BOAR in the 3 PRAIRIE provinces- these were brought in to "save the farmers" esp in the manitoba interlakes as an alternate exotic- well, those piggies escaped and were SUPPOSED to die off with our harsh winters, but they just got TOUGHER- grew thicker hides and are now CONSIDERED A PEST, same as the states
 
The Baron said:
My cocking handle also has sharp enough edges to be uncomfortable to operate, so I guess I'll either round them off or wear a glove.
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Disassemble, remove the Operating Rod, use electricians' tape around the main body of the rod close to the handle, get a metal file, and just round off the ends a bit. Feel it, do more filing and shaping until it feel smooth/good. The actual amount of material removed should be VERY minor. But it made a world of difference for me...and you really don't want to leave it with semi-sharp ends like mine came with.
 
yup, I buffed out the sharp bits of my ####...ing handle with a bit of rough sandpaper, no sweat.

Rick, word on the street is that 6th round is worth up to 3 years in the lock-up. Don't do it friend! Hell, I choose too regard that stoopid reg as an excuse for practicing rapid mag changes...:rolleyes:
 
M14s are an addiction and you have have been warned. I had every kind of M14 at one time including two different M1As. Sold and traded them all off and I felt there was a gap in my collection. Traded for an M305 and just put it away, but still wanted an original M14 but didn't want to pay a fortune for one. I got a call from a friend and said there were three guns for sale or trade, and he passed on the info to me. I contacted the owner and I ended up with two H&R M14s and a Thompson 1927 A1. Now my collection looks great except I need an AR-15 SP1 to round it out.
I will have to decide which H&R M14 to part with later.
I have been away from 14s too long and I have lots to learn from the other members. Lots of great information from this site.
 
Me too

pres717 said:
Any of you have this problem? I have the 2 short mags that came with my M-305, and I bought one of the long ones a while later (20 rounder pinned to 5), and I can load 6 rounds into each of them. Is this common? If I order a few more, am I going to get more of the same?

I disassembled my long mag recently and I can not make it accept less rounds (only more if I cut metal). Would this really be considered a prohibited mag if I was inspected?
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I bought a set of 20 round mags from Marstar. :nest: They were not pinned, per se as were the ones I bought from Milarm in Edmonton. It appears that they have this inserted metal piece, and yes they load 6, without any effort. :eek: I took out the 'ol drill and my trusty pop-rivet tool and pinned to 5 rounds. The Forestry guys would not take too kindly to 6 rounds. No big deal.

As a footnote, to avoid any issues whatsoever, in hunting season, I used the two 5 round mags I have with me, and kept the pinned "20" as a spare in the truck.
 
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