So, what makes the R 25 "restricted"?

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I LOVE this gun. I WANT this gun! And I'd get it, but if I can't hunt with it, what's the point? It seems to be the perfect hunting rifle.

What feature has pushed it into the restricted category? Can't something be modified to slide it back over to non-restricted?

Wishful thinking I guess

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It's an AR variant. I'd have one too if I could hunt with it.

If you want to hunt you have to go with the 180b, benelli R1, browning BAR or win SXR.

I have the last 3, and the Benelli is the best for function and feel, but the other 2 are very accurate.
 
It's an AR variant....

RESTRICTED.

Get a Tavor, XCR, Swiss Arms, etc.

As with all firearms laws, this makes perfect sense.:rolleyes:

So it "looks" like Armalite Rifle, which of course, means satan himself crafted it in the pits of hell...


So I can hunt with a Tavor? I can't hunt with an R25 because the general public MIGHT think it LOOKS evil? Which is more evil looking!!?


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Plus, the tavor only comes in .223 (not great for moose) and is 3 times the price!
 
As with all firearms laws, this makes perfect sense.:rolleyes:

So it "looks" like Armalite Rifle, which of course, means satan himself crafted it in the pits of hell...

Actually, it is an AR-15, mechanically.

So I can hunt with a Tavor? I can't hunt with an R25 because the general public MIGHT think it LOOKS evil? Which is more evil looking!!?

It's not that they want you to have one. It's just that rifles like the Tavor didn't exist in the early to mid 90's, when they tried to ban any "evil" looking guns in existance. The only reason the AR-15 type wasn't full out prohibited is because it was given a special "sporting" exception due to the design being our current service rifle and Canada's longstanding tradition of service rifle competitions. Make no mistake. If they ever get their way, you'll be lucky to own a water gun.
 
The AR-15 and all variants are specifically named as restricted firearms. It is how the Liberals wrote the Firearms Act back in '94-'95. It is generally agreed that those idiots knew so little about acutal firearms that somebody physically left a conference room, when to a magazine stand, purchased the latest copy of the Guns Annual Buyer's Guide and they all crowded around picking out the "scary" or "evil" rifles.

Those rifles were specifically named.

Thankfully, the Liberals were so incompetent and so short-sighted to realize that there were dozens of other designs in existence that didn't make it into their magazine to cherry pick. They also didn't take into consideration the invention/creation of completely new designs that didn't exist in 1994-95. As a result, as long as the firearm in question isn't specifically named, has a long enough barrel/overall length and doesn't have the capacity to fire full auto/burst, it can legally be imported into Canada. The RCMP have tried some unilateral re-classifications, but NFA and CSSA have quashed that trend, with the exception of the T-97 and Krinkov VZ situations that will probably end up in court, if the bureaucratic idiots responsible will ever allow the red tape to be cut through to permit the importers their day in court.

In reality, it makes absolutely no logical sense to restrict these rifles. They pose no greater danger to the public than any other semi-auto hunting rifle from Browning, Ruger or Remington. Check out the last issue of the NFA's Canadian Firearms Journal, they did a center spread story on this very issue. In the US the NSSF is also running a similar campaign.

If you want to use this rifle in the field, start writing letters. We get enough average gun owners, hunters (both new and old) and the black rifle guys active, and who knows what we can accomplish.

The rifle was almost prohibited, if not for the intervention of the DCRA and pro-firearms rights groups like the NFA who appeared before parliamentary committees to argue for the sporting value of the AR-15 in terms of use for Service Rifle competitions under the auspices of the DCRA and provincial rifle associations. We effected real change then, why not today? We'll never know unless we try.
 
Actually, it is an AR-15, mechanically.



It's not that they want you to have one. It's just that rifles like the Tavor didn't exist in the early to mid 90's, when they tried to ban any "evil" looking guns in existance. The only reason the AR-15 type wasn't full out prohibited is because it was given a special "sporting" exception due to the design being our current service rifle and Canada's longstanding tradition of service rifle competitions. Make no mistake. If they ever get their way, you'll be lucky to own a water gun.

Thanks for the input guys. I'm no black gun expert... what defines a gun as being an AR mechanicaly? It it because parts are interchangeable with AR15/M16 etc?

The AR-15 and all variants are specifically named as restricted firearms. It is how the Liberals wrote the Firearms Act back in '94-'95. It is generally agreed that those idiots knew so little about acutal firearms that somebody physically left a conference room, when to a magazine stand, purchased the latest copy of the Guns Annual Buyer's Guide and they all crowded around picking out the "scary" or "evil" rifles.

Those rifles were specifically named.

Thankfully, the Liberals were so incompetent and so short-sighted to realize that there were dozens of other designs in existence that didn't make it into their magazine to cherry pick. They also didn't take into consideration the invention/creation of completely new designs that didn't exist in 1994-95. As a result, as long as the firearm in question isn't specifically named, has a long enough barrel/overall length and doesn't have the capacity to fire full auto/burst, it can legally be imported into Canada. The RCMP have tried some unilateral re-classifications, but NFA and CSSA have quashed that trend, with the exception of the T-97 and Krinkov VZ situations that will probably end up in court, if the bureaucratic idiots responsible will ever allow the red tape to be cut through to permit the importers their day in court.

In reality, it makes absolutely no logical sense to restrict these rifles. They pose no greater danger to the public than any other semi-auto hunting rifle from Browning, Ruger or Remington. Check out the last issue of the NFA's Canadian Firearms Journal, they did a center spread story on this very issue. In the US the NSSF is also running a similar campaign.

If you want to use this rifle in the field, start writing letters. We get enough average gun owners, hunters (both new and old) and the black rifle guys active, and who knows what we can accomplish.

The rifle was almost prohibited, if not for the intervention of the DCRA and pro-firearms rights groups like the NFA who appeared before parliamentary committees to argue for the sporting value of the AR-15 in terms of use for Service Rifle competitions under the auspices of the DCRA and provincial rifle associations. We effected real change then, why not today? We'll never know unless we try.

So even though the R25 didn't exist in 94/95, it still made it onto the list?

Writing letters: Who to? MP? CFO?

What kind of supportive content should I include? I'd rather use more than the "because it's really just like any other rifle" argument. That can go the wrong way - "you mean to say all hunting rifles are as evil as an r25?"

In your opinions, what makes the R25 - safer, better, more reliable, accurate etc. than traditional hunting rifles?
 
"In your opinions, what makes the R25 - safer, better, more reliable, accurate etc. than traditional hunting rifles?"

The AR platform has seen many years of military use.

Obviously, safety, accuracy and utility are paramount concerns for the military, so the development of the AR has followed suit.

1 The AR has a detachable magazine, for easy and safer loading/unloading. (as you know, most hunters have to load and unload their guns several times a day, and seldom empty a magazine by firing the gun)

2 A pistol grip stock, and simple controls makes it easier to hold and manipulate the rifle. (it will be carried in your hands more than on your back, and so more likely to be ready when you need it)

3 The entire rifle comes apart easily for cleaning and maintenance. (giving the average hunter a better working knowledge of their gun)

4 The gun is more fun to carry, and shoot. (more fun at the range can improve a hunters marksmanship considerably, and get them shooting more often)

5 A dual use (sporting/hunting) firearm theoretically cuts down on the amount of guns that a gun nut needs to buy. (although, in reality, it wont stop us...)

6 There must be many more reasons to de-restrict the AR, so hopefully those of you that know them can take over from here!

I dont have an AR yet, principally because of the cost and the restricted status that makes my head hurt...

Id be a lot more interested in it if I could carry it in the field, like my CZ 858.
 
I LOVE this gun. I WANT this gun! And I'd get it, but if I can't hunt with it, what's the point? It seems to be the perfect hunting rifle.

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I have this gun. It is great. I bought it to hunt with eventually. I would suggest you buy one as well and practice with it at the range until you are blue in the face. The more people who own them the better chance we have of getting them de-restricted. I will hunt with mine down in the US sooner than later. Also, if you were starving and had to feed your family, I doubt that little "non" not being there on some piece of paper would stop you from taking care of business.

Also, I often wondered something. Some gun clubs (larger ones) allow their members to hunt on the property, since these restricted firearms can only be discharged at a gun club, it would stand to reason that if you were hunting on gun club property, you could use your restricted firearm. I know your ATT says for target practice, but it doesn't say your targets can't be live critters that you have the proper hunting license for. EH???? :nest:
 
Some of us are working on this...

Don't hold your breath yet but it is being brought to the attention of the upper level of the CPC.
 
Great points guys. So is it my MP I should be writing to?

Not just your MP, but all the politicians Federal and Provincial in your area, the Prime Minister, Leader of the Oppositions, Minister of Public Safety/Justice, the Federal Minister that has anything to do with culture/heritage (eg hunting) etc. etc. etc.. Not to mention we need to pressure the hunting orgs that supposedly represent us, that we want to hunt again with AR firearms (not to mention handguns, but lets start with AR's).
 
These type of rifles have become so popular in the U.S. for hunting lately, I am surprised that they have'nt become Non-Restricted in Canada as well. Does anyone know of anyway to help in the effort to make them Non-Restricted. A poll, or petition?
 
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Also, I often wondered something. Some gun clubs (larger ones) allow their members to hunt on the property, since these restricted firearms can only be discharged at a gun club, it would stand to reason that if you were hunting on gun club property, you could use your restricted firearm. I know your ATT says for target practice, but it doesn't say your targets can't be live critters that you have the proper hunting license for. EH???? :nest:

Restricted firearms can only be fired on an approved range. Being on "gun club property" doesn't make an approved range. Compliance with the specifications laid down in regulations for an approved range (e.g. berms for bullet backstops) and having a certificate of approval from the relevant authority makes an approved range. If the club/range rules don't prohibit using live critters as targets and you can entice the critters to enter the target area and the relevant hunting regulations in your province don't forbid it for whatever reason at that time and place, in theory, you could hunt with your R25. But it's not what many people call hunting. Hope you can get away to the U.S. soon to enjoy yours more fully.
 
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