so what with all the cheap ar15,s

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When a Carpenter needs a hammer, he buys the hammer of hammers because he's going to use it all day long. Its gotta take the stress and the abuse it will see on the jobsite every day. It has to be light with a comfortable grip for prolonged use. He will spend the money to have the best.

When Joe Blow needs a hammer to do the occasional job around the house, he buys an affordable hammer that he feels will accomplish most tasks. It just has to work. He will not spend the money to get the fancy hammer, because a lesser hammer will do.

A serious shooter/competitor will buy the Colt.

A once in a while shooter/novice will buy the Norc.

Both will go bang and hit the target, its just that the Colt will run better, faster, longer. That said, if you can't swing worth $hit, the fancy hammer won't help much;)

Everyone says that Norcs won't last over a "better" AR...where's the scientific facts behind that? Has anyone ran thousands of rounds side by side? IE, you put a Ford and a Toyota side by side and run them both at the same speed, which one is going to break first? All I ever see in the debate about guns is subjective experience from one person or heard from a friend of a friend. Be objective and back up everything with facts.

The anecdotal stories you hear are comparable to case studies in the world of research. In the hierarchy of good scientific study designs, case studies are at the very bottom.
 
tom how so? I never said I wouldn't own a ar, I said for how "I" place a value on them I would rather a swiss and a norc then a cz and a high end ar.

How can more owners of ars albiet lower quality ones lead to the ar staying in its current legal mumbo jumbo? I would have to think more owners saying they're just another semi rifle, get over it would be the best hope of a classification change
 
A serious shooter/competitor will buy the Colt.

A once in a while shooter/novice will buy the Norc.

From what I've heard you don't see many of the high end guns show up for the service rifle competitions. It's mostly the less expensive or middle of the pack guns that come out to play. I'd say regardless of novice or serious - most of the expensive rifles people buy are safe queens. The EE is full of NIB or fired one box of ammo and put it away rifles.

I've never seen an ad for an expensive gun that said "round count 10,000 with lots of dings and scratches." So either everyone on the EE is lying or they just don't shoot those guns all that often.

I say buy whatever you want. It's your money.
 
The Mini 14 was not banned after Gamil Rodrigue Liass Gharbi shot 9 women at the École Polytechnique. Just about every semi auto with a detachable mag including at AR-15 were to be prohibited.

The mini 14 was widely held in Canada and retained its non restricted classification. The AK, FN, Aug, ect....all were prohibited with grandfathering which means that ultimately they will be seized by the state. We will not live forever. The AR-15 was to share this same fate however the NFA was able to convince the powers that be that target shooters have service rifle competitions with the AR enhancing the marksmanship of the pool of people that would go into service in time of need of the state. I recall, faulty perhaps, that a liberal inquired if marksmanship was necessary on the battlefield. One of the Generals assured him that yes marksmanship was necessary. This is why the the AR became a range only toy.

My point is if everyone owned an AR 15 back in 1998 they probably would not have been prohibited, or even restricted.

I love seeing the cheap AR s. The more folks who have them, the better the chance that I will be permitted by the state to have one.
 
So let me get this stright.
I ask a simple civil question.
What's us with people buying cheap AR,s and now your saying you don't want to buy anything from our company.
Maybe if I was rude too you would that make you feel better.

It wasn't your original question that formed my opinion it was your subsequent comments and your failure to distance yourself from Libermuster's outrageous asertions and diatribe. Your actions have allowed you to be painted by the same brush. There is no misunderstanding or confusion here on my part or by anyone else.

Others have obviously came to the same conclusion that I have. Does that mean they're equally wrong as well? You don't have to worry about being rude to me. I could care less one way or another. I don't have a personal stake in any of my activities on CGN so fire away if it'll make you feel better.
 
With all due respect sir: YOUR A F****** IGNORANT COC*S*****.

Please go back to what every rich neighbourhood your snobby ass came from. Enjoy your game of chess and your "High end " bottle of wine.

How the hell can you even consider saying half the s**t you have said on here ? Do you really think before you speak? Canada gun nutz is one big family in my opinion and your sir are the black sheep of it.

What people buy and what people want is their own choice and does not need to be picked apart by someone like you. You do not know what they are going through financially, maybe they have no financial issues and just dont want to spent 3grand and a hole puncher.

**************Any moderators on here should please delete this thread before people end up getting kicked off the site dealing with this guy.************

+1
Never buy a CIVIC, FERRARI ONLY, LOL d:h:
 
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Again another person off base...like the others that have insulted me thinking I'm referring to everyone that owns a DPMs or Norc as low life is not my point at all, but whatever..Being name brand means nothing it is the quality of the firearm that is what I'm getting at.

Since we are not talking about facts here and I only seem to be reading peoples feeling in there responses, i suggest some of you guys grow thicker skin and re-read my post to what I'm getting at.

Great Story:

Example I was at the range 1 month ago, who do I see a few guys I knew a decade back or so, never knew them personally, but I knew the crowd they were...

First thing they were doing was talking to everyone that owned whatever AR(specifically interested) brand or firearm on the range...They asked me a few questions, I answered them a little on difference between various AR's. At this point I didn't remember them(keep that in mind). One of the individuals asked me the differences between Ar's he was thinking of buying, which were Norcs,Bushmaster,LMT etc etc
After explaining a little he came to usual conclusion off... all just buy a Bushmaster it is the same as a Colt, typical misnomer that is out there, he went for the cheaper AR, his buddy insisted on getting Norcs. I finished my shooting with my AR(an upgraded Bushmaster)and proceeded to shooting my pistols as they were leaving I herd them talking about getting pistols and picking up Norc M4 because that is all they can afford or really because it was cheaper and easier. I can tell you right now those guys are involved in criminal activity. If you look in TO a lot of the gangs there are buying whatever is cheap and affordable or convenient, or whatever they can get their paws on(this comes from my cop buddies as well)

Guys all we are is one school shooting away that is so disastrous from the ban hammer coming down in my opinion, even the CPC might bend. I don't want to see that so some low end gang banger can afford a Black-rifle.

The advantage of the Norc is it gets AR's in more peoples hands but there is a dark side or a negative that I have seen lately that is coming out too.

I prefer the guy to use an SKS and not bring any negative attention to the black rifle crowd.........period.......I would prefer no shootings period as well.
Why do you buy a cheap Bushmaster?
I wouldn't buy anything cheaper than a NOVESKE. Even LMT. Won't buy one unless they're priced $3000 or more.
I wouldn't buy any guns below $3000.
d:h:

To the OP.
Actually I'm thinking of getting another AR.
I'm considering a NOVESKE and a NORC. I always compare their price in US and in Canada to justify if their price is acceptable to me and I feel the NOVESKE is now better priced than most LMT.
Why compare NOVESKE with a NORC? I'm still considering if should I spend that much on a restricted.
I will always cheap out if possible. I use an airsoft cheekrest on my Swiss. But I won't use airsoft optics beyond 25 yards.
 
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Wow.

All that I can say is that BadBoyBeeson opened the can of worms and Leibermuster dumped them all over the place.

I think that Leibermuster needs a vacation from CGN for a while.
 
The Mini 14 was not banned after Gamil Rodrigue Liass Gharbi shot 9 women at the École Polytechnique. Just about every semi auto with a detachable mag including at AR-15 were to be prohibited.

The mini 14 was widely held in Canada and retained its non restricted classification. The AK, FN, Aug, ect....all were prohibited with grandfathering which means that ultimately they will be seized by the state. We will not live forever. The AR-15 was to share this same fate however the NFA was able to convince the powers that be that target shooters have service rifle competitions with the AR enhancing the marksmanship of the pool of people that would go into service in time of need of the state. I recall, faulty perhaps, that a liberal inquired if marksmanship was necessary on the battlefield. One of the Generals assured him that yes marksmanship was necessary. This is why the the AR became a range only toy.

My point is if everyone owned an AR 15 back in 1998 they probably would not have been prohibited, or even restricted.

I love seeing the cheap AR s. The more folks who have them, the better the chance that I will be permitted by the state to have one.
Here's to hoping that happens! :cheers:
 
Holy thunder f*ck , lots of agitation in this thread.

I don't understand why people care so much about what other people buy.Can we not just all share the love for the sport and leave others alone?

you guys have to smarten up and stop all this arguing of who's daddy is stronger...

I'm in the market for an AR and for some reason this thread just turned right off.
 
SB I never said you were a retard because you favor you time with your kids and wife,weeks of vactation at the lake over buying a quality AR15.
I simply asked why people with lots of disposable income are still buying cheaply made AR,s.
Now the stuff the other guy said has nothing to do with me.
But ill say one thing, call me a douchbag and a mall ninja one more time and it will be a permanent vacation you be leaving on in 2days.


Easy big fella, show me where I specifically called you anything. There have been a handful of insulting posts and my comments were directed to those. Like I said in my post, I am exactly the guy that this thread is directed to. Forgive me if I take offense when someone questions my priorities. I make sacrifices so that my family can enjoy nice things.

Furthermore, when you are on this board you do represent your business and I along with others will decide whether or not it's a business we want to support. After viewing this thread and several others I have made the choice not to support yours. Maybe that will change, I don't know. Keep threatening me and I'm sure that you will continue to make a great impression on me and others.
 
But ill say one thing, call me a douchbag and a mall ninja one more time and it will be a permanent vacation you be leaving on in 2days.

Ahhh, a textbook example of how to increase a customer base through the use of a public forum on the Internet. Granted it's someone else's customer list that will be growing now, but when you really have to get your point across there's no point in worrying about reputation or profits.
 
See i dont buy that line
I get out hunting 3-4 times a year if im lucky.
I get to the range 60-75 times a year

I get out hunting 60 plus times a year, to the range 3 or 4. now i don't buy Chinese guns, but i would buy a local made reasonable priced ar. I can see why someone would buy a norinco. By the way, your intention with this thread is exceedingly transparent!
 
I think this sums it up: you can have service/reliability, quality/durability or price; pick two.

Totally disagree. There has been a perception that money buys quality in everything made from farm equipment to cars to houses to guns to toasters to whatever, but that doesn't make it any sort of reality. That makes it a very successful marketing campaign.

Acura dealerships have the same number of service bays as Chevy, John Deere employs as many mechanics as Case IH, Mike Holmes has made a career fixing high priced screwups...the list goes on and on.

If lower priced items were as bad as the marketing would have us believe, then we should be seeing the evidence in the form of widespread wailing and gnashing of teeth all across the Internet. And if the high priced products were so perfect, then there wouldn't be so much as a single post to be seen on any site anywhere. I haven't noticed either of those occurring yet, and I can safely say I'll definitely never see both.
 
We believe that all the firearms we sell reflect what our customers needs and wants, we sell Norinco AR15's & have also provided customers with One Shot Tacticals SR25 EMC carbine. In the last couple of months are best selling AR platform has been the NEA 15, we also have range firearms that consist of a custom M&P 15 (80,000rds fired+), NEA 15(20,000rds fired+), Norinco M4(50,000rds fired+) & they continue to be popular for use at the range. Consumers make decisions with their wallets and they will continue to do so for the forseeable future, if One Shot Tactical had 50 KAC SBR's show up - no doubt in my mind they would all be sold in under a week. Our CEO makes sure we listen to our clients wants and needs, if those say Norinco then that is what we will provide, if they say DTA or Blaser then guess what ???
 
Why do you buy a cheap Bushmaster?
I wouldn't buy anything cheaper than a NOVESKE. Even LMT. Won't buy one unless they're priced $3000 or more.
I wouldn't buy any guns below $3000.
d:h:

To the OP.
Actually I'm thinking of getting another AR.
I'm considering a NOVESKE and a NORC. I always compare their price in US and in Canada to justify if their price is acceptable to me and I feel the NOVESKE is now better priced than most LMT.
Why compare NOVESKE with a NORC? I'm still considering if should I spend that much on a restricted.
I will always cheap out if possible. I use an airsoft cheekrest on my Swiss. But I won't use airsoft optics beyond 25 yards.


My Shrubmaster at the time cost just under $2grand tax's in at the time, back then that was supposedly a top AR(Ellwood Epps). I have not seen one Norinco that comes close to the quality of that firearm even yet?If you actually think your NORC is on par with companies like RRA,DPMS,Bushmaster, it is not, these are 2 tier AR's at best.Norc tier 4 or 5... You get what you pay for.

If all you can afford is a Norc, well fine, as I have stated clearly many times on this thread.

In regards to the low IQ crowd coming out of the woodwork???? I'm referring to the punk as thug wannabee at the range, we didn't have that 5 years ago to the same amount now we do. And that is a liability. All it takes is weeks paycheck or welfare check and that individual has an AR that 10 years ago he would never have purchased.

I talked to enough people that are range wardens that have expressed my same observations. The 2 gun clubs i use regularly have already had to increase & heighten there rules for safety because of these elements.

As for the guys that are so insulted about my comment, you guys like Throttle Monkey can't even support this website or Join the NFA/CSSA.So you are no loss regardless, you can't even spare $10 to this site

Canada is not a 3rd world country and for a lot of people out there if your mentality is too buy a Norc, then that is either your problem or financial situation.

For the person that has 3 kids, well that is your priority and has nothing to do with the crowd of people I'm describing.


Too badboybeeson
These guys just want the less expensive option no matter what and that is fine, but then they want to s**t on the community that actually takes this seriously and people that are willing to cut back in other areas to get the better option.

Enjoy the race to the bottom for the dealers.
 
Just an FYI: a good shooter (I'm talking special forces) will outshoot your $3500 top of the line AR with a $500 norinco, why? some people just have it, plus tons and tons of range time/combat time

it's not about how much the weapon costs, it's about knowing how to use it and having good training.
 
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