So what's left for 308 semi autos in Canada?

LordEvilPepper said:
what?
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RSK said:
Not that it’s out of the realm of possibility, but where did you see this? I can’t find mention of it anywhere. Is there anything else you’re aware of?
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FRT for the 542 was changed to Prohibited. Effective May 15th.....

250ish FRTs of firearms have been updated since the OIC, that we’re not specifically named prohib in the OIC.

The term “variant” is being used quite liberallly.....

Expect more changes to come as time allows the firearms lab to reclassify, based on the OIC.
 
WE WILL GET ALL MDOELS BACK ,

all we need is more people involved , when 70% of the people have PAL , demand to buy , will vote to someone who protect legal firearm owners , more education , more member , more fun , more range and more business and production , then Liberals have no choice to protect firearm owners to get vote ,

this is our job ,

what is left ? me and you left and this moment ,


all 308 will be legal one day if we show people firearm is nothing just a tool , a steel and wood , a piece of metal .
the problem is people are watching too many movies , that is why looks scary and they judge by their own view.
 
DILLIGAF said:
Good I say, AT this point I rather they ban everything. That way we'll finally united as a community !

All the cool guns are gone anyways and more being added daily. Im not going to shoot a lame ass .22 or some fudd duck gun to fill the void in my hobby !
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Hey let's not start bad mouthing the 22's, crps matches be lit!
 
notsorichguy said:
FRT for the 542 was changed to Prohibited. Effective May 15th.....

250ish FRTs of firearms have been updated since the OIC, that we’re not specifically named prohib in the OIC.

The term “variant” is being used quite liberallly.....

Expect more changes to come as time allows the firearms lab to reclassify, based on the OIC.
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seems odd to me. 542 was previously non-restricted so no record of who has what. only way to manage the transition of this firearm to prohibited would presumably be via the OIC which is designed to transition firearms, which means that all other OIC regulations apply, and anyone with a 542 is now breaking the law if they transort, shoot, sell, etc. so a person is now in the sticky predicament of not knowing they are breaking the law. made especially difficult as non-rcmp do not have real-time access to the online frt, and the downloadable one is not being updated due to covid. and neither my ipad nor my laptop can open the pdf version (perhaps because 250MB) so i cannot determine when the last version was published or what was on it. add to that the fact that the 542 is about as similar to an ar platform as it is to my bolt gun and i have a hard time believing that the RCMP are just randomly transitioning firearms without telling anyone. unless becoming prohib on the FRT requires some other order of govt to become law that is still pending? otherwise, i would hate to think there is some loophope that allows the RCMP (not the govt) two write laws, not tell anyone, make it impossible for them to find out about them, then charge people for breaking laws they don't know about?
 
the radium king said:
seems odd to me. 542 was previously non-restricted so no record of who has what. only way to manage the transition of this firearm to prohibited would presumably be via the OIC which is designed to transition firearms, which means that all other OIC regulations apply, and anyone with a 542 is now breaking the law if they transort, shoot, sell, etc. so a person is now in the sticky predicament of not knowing they are breaking the law. made especially difficult as non-rcmp do not have real-time access to the online frt, and the downloadable one is not being updated due to covid. and neither my ipad nor my laptop can open the pdf version (perhaps because 250MB) so i cannot determine when the last version was published or what was on it. add to that the fact that the 542 is about as similar to an ar platform as it is to my bolt gun and i have a hard time believing that the RCMP are just randomly transitioning firearms without telling anyone. unless becoming prohib on the FRT requires some other order of govt to become law that is still pending? otherwise, i would hate to think there is some loophope that allows the RCMP (not the govt) two write laws, not tell anyone, make it impossible for them to find out about them, then charge people for breaking laws they don't know about?
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it's obviously our fault as we should enquire if our particular firearms are still NR every day.. that sounds totally reasonable no?

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personally I think we should all just act as if it's business as usual, get arrested and clog the courts by the thousands.
I am starting to think that this might be the only way forward but am hoping the current legal challenges that are ramping up are successful.
 
the radium king said:
seems odd to me. 542 was previously non-restricted so no record of who has what. only way to manage the transition of this firearm to prohibited would presumably be via the OIC which is designed to transition firearms, which means that all other OIC regulations apply, and anyone with a 542 is now breaking the law if they transort, shoot, sell, etc. so a person is now in the sticky predicament of not knowing they are breaking the law. made especially difficult as non-rcmp do not have real-time access to the online frt, and the downloadable one is not being updated due to covid. and neither my ipad nor my laptop can open the pdf version (perhaps because 250MB) so i cannot determine when the last version was published or what was on it. add to that the fact that the 542 is about as similar to an ar platform as it is to my bolt gun and i have a hard time believing that the RCMP are just randomly transitioning firearms without telling anyone. unless becoming prohib on the FRT requires some other order of govt to become law that is still pending? otherwise, i would hate to think there is some loophope that allows the RCMP (not the govt) two write laws, not tell anyone, make it impossible for them to find out about them, then charge people for breaking laws they don't know about?
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well, a bit of looking on the black gun page shows that this is happening all over the place, and that there are actually three versions of the frt at any given time. what nonsense. will not survive a legal challenge i don't think. looks like no challenge from the cpc however; the issue has completely fallen of the news cycle (last time cpc was in the news re gun ban was 05-may) and nothing on the official cpc website.
 
45ACPKING said:
personally I think we should all just act as if it's business as usual, get arrested and clog the courts by the thousands.
I am starting to think that this might be the only way forward but am hoping the current legal challenges that are ramping up are successful.
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Especially with these FRT changes. The guns banned by OIC are one thing, they're now named prohibs, but all these other guns that were not named in the OIC but are having their FRT info changed is total horse ####. Ignorance of the law is no defense, but ignorance of a secret database that's being updated (without any information or reason being publicized) to secretly ban more guns should be, as it is absolutely ridiculous and I can't see how a judge could find someone guilty given the circumstances.
 
There are only 2 popular hunting semis and often you won’t find them in 308.
Think about this: why hunt with a 308 when you could use 7 Rem Mag, 30-06 or 300 Win Mag?
I did this a couple of years back and had to buy a used firearm since no new 308 models could be found in Canada that year.

Alex
 
the radium king said:
seems odd to me. 542 was previously non-restricted so no record of who has what. only way to manage the transition of this firearm to prohibited would presumably be via the OIC which is designed to transition firearms, which means that all other OIC regulations apply, and anyone with a 542 is now breaking the law if they transort, shoot, sell, etc. so a person is now in the sticky predicament of not knowing they are breaking the law. made especially difficult as non-rcmp do not have real-time access to the online frt, and the downloadable one is not being updated due to covid. and neither my ipad nor my laptop can open the pdf version (perhaps because 250MB) so i cannot determine when the last version was published or what was on it. add to that the fact that the 542 is about as similar to an ar platform as it is to my bolt gun and i have a hard time believing that the RCMP are just randomly transitioning firearms without telling anyone. unless becoming prohib on the FRT requires some other order of govt to become law that is still pending? otherwise, i would hate to think there is some loophope that allows the RCMP (not the govt) two write laws, not tell anyone, make it impossible for them to find out about them, then charge people for breaking laws they don't know about?
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The SG 542's imported by us and the other importer are still NR as of today. There's often initial entries that are prohib, until the lab can get a CAD-specific sample for review
 
AlexF said:
Is the Beretta BM59 prohibited? Look it up and that should give you the answer.
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that does not make any sense whatsoever.
what are some of you guys smoking?

the M1 garand precedes the bm59 and the m14. For the slow people that means the M1 Garand Pre- dates both rifles.... as in designed and manufactured and put into service long before the m14 and bm59 ….. if you custom build a .308 M1 garand…. you have a variant of an M1 Garand. The m14 and bm59 have nothing to do with it.
 
45ACPKING said:
that does not make any sense whatsoever.
what are some of you guys smoking?

the M1 garand precedes the bm59 and the m14. For the slow people that means the M1 Garand Pre- dates both rifles.... as in designed and manufactured and put into service long before the m14 and bm59 ….. if you custom build a .308 M1 garand…. you have a variant of an M1 Garand. The m14 and bm59 have nothing to do with it.
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Since 1 May 2020 nothing makes sense.
 
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