Some of the last defenders of Berlin unearthed...

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Sadly, their seems to be a nexus of hatred in that old-school Jew haters and "freshlly-arrived" Jew haters....hate Jews.



Biggest source of immigrants to Israel these days? French Jews, for safety reasons.


Why do you have to bring Jew into this Thread. We are talking about buried Germans, do Jews have to be mixed into every issue?????
 
One could argue Stalin was way ahead of Hitler when it came to institutionalized slave labor and murder. And yet , the allies never said Boo, before during or after. In fact they returned Russians and other Nationals, that they most certainly knew were facing execution

Grizz

That is truth. One name: Roosevelt. He called the bastard "Uncle Joe".
 
History is always written by the Victor, ive read lots of books about WWII and the story all ways seem to be written the American style, Ie. at Normandy there known to have done the best job, or experienced more than the Canadians or Brits, which is somewhat true but trying to take credit for the victory in western Europe is absurd. Then theres the story of the Russian side, accusing the Germans for attacking them first and they didn't want anything to do with it, while Stalin was the one that was getting ready to strike Europe, but Hitler surprised attacked him and pushed his army back quite abit..(you know how it goes). Ive read the story from the German side to, which is very interesting, it was mentioned that they were trying to stop Communism from invading that part of Europe. During the 30's when the German economy was booming on its own strength the Superpowers didn't like that- they didn't want Germany to have the strongest economy, and the Bankers of that time wanted Germany to collapse (The world bankers do that to this day, IE. when a country rises on its own strength, they want them put out of business and want the country to relay on them), but the only way to do that was to start a war against them. The German story is quite different which I think many should look into or To search "the truth about WWII".

I've seen that many people like to attack the Germans for war crimes and about the holocaust, but look at what the Americans did at the end of the war: They killed 1.7 million German POW through starvation and leaving them fenced in a camp with out shelter, which is a quite sad.
http://www.rense.com/general46/germ.htm

The Russians also killed about 25 Million of their own people through out time and took Many German POW of war and kept them for forced labor for many years after the war.

Ive had many family members, fight against the Germans in Romania, many losing their lives at the hands of the German army- but I have nothing against the Germans or hate them or other people. War is War things like these happen almost everywhere.

Hitler came to power in 1933 and Germany was a super power in 1938. From Zero, nothing, ####, zip. Nobody else ever achieved anything like that. Now, I am talking about economy here.
 
Since when does stopping expansion of communism involve trying to beat it? There is a huge difference between containment and annihilation with the later being Hitler's goal in Russia. What it boils down to is the fact that the western allies needed Stalin'd brutish hand in order to defeat Hitler. We needed him to sacrifice his sons for us so our fathers and grandfathers could have a chance to live. The Russians did probably 80% of the dirty work against the Germans, and certainly lost the most blood for every inch of ground gained. A lot of it may have been poor training and leadership combined with the obvious low value for human life, but it was said that the only time the western allies had casualty rates nearly approaching that of Russia's during the entire war in Europe was during Normandy. The Russians beat the Germans, we just financed it. And I'm fine with that. I had a Grandfather and a Great Grandfather there, and both came home and lived long happy lives. Without Stalin's Reds a lot of us wouldn't have been conceived.


You were conceived in Poland?
 
We're always open to new information. So tell us how it really happened.



Atomic bomb would have solved that problem, just a few years later.

Fortunately Hitler forced the German generals and admirals into war before they were really prepared: they were planning for 1944/45.

Yup, history is written by the victors using the documents and statements of the defeated!

You are correct, they were planning the war for 44/45. But Hitler knew the Russians were expanding faster (Finland, Rumania) so before they would get ready, Russkies would be knocking on the doors in Berlin.
I recommend to everyone to read thise books: [h=3]The Chief Culprit: Stalin's Grand Design to Start World War II by VIKTOR SUVOROV[/h][h=3]Icebreaker. WHO STARTED THE SECOND WORLD WAR? by Viktor Suvorov,[/h]Its truly from a military prospective. Germans could not afford to wait. British came to help Poland and lost its empire.
 
Your knowledge of history is pathetic. You read a book espousing a lunatic theory about how Stalin started ww2 and all other sources for history leading up to WW2 get thrown out.
Hitler's plan was war and global domination for years. Ever read Mein Kampf? It is all spelled out there. The USSR had expansionist designs but had NO intention of invading Germany. They had a dispute with Finland and quickly grabbed half of Poland when Germany invaded her. It is funny that when Czechoslovakia was overrun and absorbed into the Reich that Poland took a piece of territory as well. When Poland was invaded the USSR invaded the eastern half of Poland. Britain did not "come to help Poland", they simply declared war on Germany as they should have in 1936 when Hitler seized the Rhineland. If Hitler had been slapped down in '36 he would have folded up his tent and gone home because he wasn't strong enough to fight Britain and France at the time. German military officers at the time had plans for a coup all in place in 1936 had Great Britain called Hitler's bluff but Stanley Baldwin and Neville Chamberlain had no backbone and Churchill was an isolated voice in the wilderness regarding German aggression. I suggest you read more than one book on the subject.
 
Hitler came to power in 1933 and Germany was a super power in 1938. From Zero, nothing, ####, zip. Nobody else ever achieved anything like that. Now, I am talking about economy here.

You have no idea how many thousands of Germans were arrested, imprisoned, murdered or just "disappeared" beginning in 1933 onwards. Anyone who spoke out against Hitler ended up dead often without even phony charges and a trial. The Brownshirts and later the SS simply killed them openly and no one dared say anything. Oh yeah, Mr. Hitler did great things for Germany and Europe. We should revere his memory.
 
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All the talk of "Never Again", and "Those who refuse to learn from history are condemned to repeat it" were always empty words. Anti-semitism is on the rise, and we will repeat the past - it just took a little longer this round.
 
You are an idiot. Really.
You have no idea about economics and only have to come here any insult other becouse you have a different opinion?
From the political views, what was happening to people with different political views in eastern Europe until late eighties was not much different then Germany in thirties. And nobody did worth #### fot them. Just pathetic talk. Like yours. Yes, you are the big hero.

You have no idea how many thousands of Germans were arrested, imprisoned, murdered or just "disappeared" beginning in 1933 onwards. Anyone who spoke out against Hitler ended up dead often without even phony charges and a trial. The Brownshirts and later the SS simply killed them openly and no one dared say anything. Oh yeah, Mr. Hitler did great things for Germany and Europe. We should revere his memory. By any chance do you have a crew cut and a whole lot of tattoos?
 
Well this thread started out pretty good about the trench discovery and now gone weird in a big way.
 
Why do you have to bring Jew into this Thread. We are talking about buried Germans, do Jews have to be mixed into every issue?????

That is a tasteless and offensive remark. If you were Jewish, bearing in mind the history of the last century, I suspect that issue would be front and center in your mind as well.

Hitler came to power in 1933 and Germany was a super power in 1938. From Zero, nothing, ####, zip. Nobody else ever achieved anything like that. Now, I am talking about economy here.

"From zero, ####, zip." No, Germany was the leading industrial power of Europe by 1914 and was doing just fine in the 1920s. It's debatable whether their massive public spending on armaments and infrastructure during the 1930s was supportable. Some say it was not and could only be financed by war gains, which of course was the purpose of the whole exercise anyway. If they had been smart enough not to start WWI by pushing the Austrians to declare war on Serbia and declaring war on Russia while the Tsar was still trying to keep the lid on things, they would have gone from strength to strength economically and dominated the Continent sooner and more comprehensively, but that would have meant giving up dreams of destroying the Slavs and Poles and creating a vast empire in Eastern Europe. And by the way, they were calling their reservists back from North America in early 1914, so WWI was no accident, though the trigger event in Sarajevo may have been coincidental.

You are correct, they were planning the war for 44/45. But Hitler knew the Russians were expanding faster (Finland, Rumania) so before they would get ready, Russkies would be knocking on the doors in Berlin.
I recommend to everyone to read thise books: [h=3]The Chief Culprit: Stalin's Grand Design to Start World War II by VIKTOR SUVOROV[/h][h=3]Icebreaker. WHO STARTED THE SECOND WORLD WAR? by Viktor Suvorov,[/h]Its truly from a military prospective. Germans could not afford to wait. British came to help Poland and lost its empire.

I've read Suvorov's books going back to the first one; he's an author and he needs to keep writing. If Stalin was keen to invade Germany and Eastern Europe, he would have done it in 1936-38 when Germany (and everyone else) was too weak too resist. Funnily enough he spent those years having massive purges, including the Red Army purge which killed off or imprisoned most of the officer corps and high command. With every passing week Germany got stronger; waiting was folly. The Soviets did offered to back the Czechs in 1938 if they fought rather than agreeing to Germany's demands for the "Sudetenland". (where about 10%-30% of the population was German BTW, depending on who you believe.)

The French and British had no desire for another bloodbath; they hoped Hitler would confine himself to dismembering Czechoslovakia and perhaps destroying Bolshevism, and after Munich he did say "I have no further territorial claims to make in Europe" - and then grabbed the rest of Czechoslovakia the same year! Unfortunately the world did not yet recognize the evil and insanity in Hitler and his regime, but that's not surprising: people never want to believe the worst until they are forced to.

They should have had the brains to realize that allowing Hitler to take over Eastern Europe and European Russia would make Nazi Germany so strong that the West could not have defeated her, but again, people always hope things will "turn out for the best". They were still thinking in terms of typical statecraft, rather than a racial and ideological war: inability or unwillingness to understand your enemy's mentality is about the worst strategic error there is. And of course in a democracy you can't get too far ahead of public opinion, and the populace in what became the Allied countries were mostly determined to ignore unpleasant realities until the last possible minute. They almost got their necks wrung as a result, but that is one of the weaknesses of democracies!

Good thing we're so much smarter now!:rolleyes:
 
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You are an idiot. Really.
You have no idea about economics and only have to come here any insult other becouse you have a different opinion?
From the political views, what was happening to people with different political views in eastern Europe until late eighties was not much different then Germany in thirties. And nobody did worth #### fot them. Just pathetic talk. Like yours. Yes, you are the big hero.



FYI.... Stalin was a megalomaniac as bad as Hitler, but he had no designs on attacking Germany... he was too busy killing his generals and instilling fear in his own country. He was actually quite naive in thinking Hitler had no designs on Russia... one of the reasons the Germans were so successful initially during Barbarossa was because Stalin was caught off guard, if he was planning on attacking Germany he would have been more fortified

I hope your next revisionism isn't going to be telling us that the holocaust was a lie
 
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You are an idiot. Really.
You have no idea about economics and only have to come here any insult other becouse you have a different opinion?
From the political views, what was happening to people with different political views in eastern Europe until late eighties was not much different then Germany in thirties. And nobody did worth #### fot them. Just pathetic talk. Like yours. Yes, you are the big hero.

I "only have to come here any insult other because you have a different opinion?"
You write like someone who was not educated in the English language or perhaps not educated at all.
I am not interested in debating the point with a semi literate Nazi apologist with a limited knowledge of world events so HAVE A GOOD DAY.
 
Gents,

This thread started with a fantastic article written about the discovery of something we are not familiar with... archaeological work where we see something different than dinosaur bones or old building foundations. I even used that article in one of my university works about Heritage. No one has turned up this article in something political or partisan for which ever side.

Opinions can be debate, yes of course, but this thread is not the right place at the moment. I encourage you to stop answering back to each other if you are going in the wrong direction. I also recommend that some comments should be deleted anyway as they are totally off topic. No need to go further on this...

Martin

Oh... and by the way, if this sounds weird a bit, it is because I have a poor English writing because I'm French speaking, but I do understand very well. Sorry for my lack of English skill. However, I think all of you will understand what I try to say.
 
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History is always written by the Victor, ive read lots of books about WWII and the story all ways seem to be written the American style, Ie. at Normandy there known to have done the best job, or experienced more than the Canadians or Brits, which is somewhat true but trying to take credit for the victory in western Europe is absurd. Then theres the story of the Russian side, accusing the Germans for attacking them first and they didn't want anything to do with it, while Stalin was the one that was getting ready to strike Europe, but Hitler surprised attacked him and pushed his army back quite abit..(you know how it goes). Ive read the story from the German side to, which is very interesting, it was mentioned that they were trying to stop Communism from invading that part of Europe. During the 30's when the German economy was booming on its own strength the Superpowers didn't like that- they didn't want Germany to have the strongest economy, and the Bankers of that time wanted Germany to collapse (The world bankers do that to this day, IE. when a country rises on its own strength, they want them put out of business and want the country to relay on them), but the only way to do that was to start a war against them. The German story is quite different which I think many should look into or To search "the truth about WWII".

I've seen that many people like to attack the Germans for war crimes and about the holocaust, but look at what the Americans did at the end of the war: They killed 1.7 million German POW through starvation and leaving them fenced in a camp with out shelter, which is a quite sad.
http://www.rense.com/general46/germ.htm

The Russians also killed about 25 Million of their own people through out time and took Many German POW of war and kept them for forced labor for many years after the war.

Ive had many family members, fight against the Germans in Romania, many losing their lives at the hands of the German army- but I have nothing against the Germans or hate them or other people. War is War things like these happen almost everywhere.

Thank you for your Article & link. Unfortunately it seems Atrocities continue on unarmed People more then ever.
 
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