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Some of the last defenders of Berlin unearthed...
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These extremist groups all get their start due to wrongheaded liberal immigration policy and legitimate grievances with government policy. The left wing/politically correct status quo is the root cause for groups like this. You will see a backlash in Canada as well due to our stupid immigration policy and rampant abuse of our social programs by foreigners who haven't paid one cent towards them.
What I always find interesting when this subject comes up....and I do love discussing WWII, is how many still harbour such hate for Germans because of their occupation of different nations.
The Dutch are responsible for many thousands of innocent deaths during their colonization of Indonesia, and the Belgians committed unspeakable atrocities in the Congo and their colonies in Africa. The Belgians are still despised in those areas. Theses two European nations are not unique in this regard, I just single them out because they always seem to be the most vocal in their condemnation of Germany's occupation of their countries. I guess it is easy to forget what took place on the dark continent and the far east....or perhaps it is because those people have a darker skin tone....
The Dutch are responsible for many thousands of innocent deaths during their colonization of Indonesia, and the Belgians committed unspeakable atrocities in the Congo and their colonies in Africa. The Belgians are still despised in those areas. Theses two European nations are not unique in this regard, I just single them out because they always seem to be the most vocal in their condemnation of Germany's occupation of their countries. I guess it is easy to forget what took place on the dark continent and the far east....or perhaps it is because those people have a darker skin tone....
Brutus
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There is one thing I can think of that flies right into the face of this theory.
And it's called the French Foreign Legion.
Without these guys and maybe a few hardcore French Paras, who the feck would be left to defend the bastille???
Absolutely Zero, is the correct answer!
Myself I've seen the FFA in all it's effing glory.
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Most honest and true thing I have seen on CGN in a long while.
Not arguing with that, but we need to remember that 'long memories' and 'condemnation' go in different directions. I was stationed on Okinawa, Japan in the late sixties, early seventies and I'm here to tell you that the Japanese utterly despised us, and made it very plain that they did, every single day.
yes, and in the future, how will they view us ? engaged in our many " Oil Wars " and atrocities ... it goes to show you how good people can do some terrible things when they are mislead !
Couldn't agree more. But there's an old saying out west here (where there are lots of Dutch settled towns) that I never fully appreciated until I married into a Dutch family.
"You can always tell a Dutchman. He won't listen, but you can tell him." (I love whipping that out with the in-laws around the dinner table when they get going on one of there many, many "things"... )
Europe, as a whole, is a mess of generations old rivalries and intolerances. It's easy for one to blame another for some atrocity or another, because at some point, they've all been atrocious to their neighbours.
One would hope that in these [sarcasm] more civilized times [/sarcasm] we would have moved past all that. But watching the news doesn't inspire much confidence that we have.
Donny Fenn1
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i grew up the son of the local veterinarian, the saying for the Dutch farmers was "wooden shoes, wooden head, wouldn't listen"
as far as hate being passed down i read an article in one of the news magazines once that correlated the hate/dislike/racism pretty much directly to kids being looked after by their grandmothers who had survived atrocities from the "other" side
in the middle east/the balkans/eastern europe the parents went out to work, the kids stayed at home with grandma and she passed her thoughts on to the kids, the funny/tragic thing was the kids had played with the "enemy" out in the street while mom was home looking after them but when she went back to work the indoctrination from granny began
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Yes, many nations are responsible for some pretty horrendous acts but none on the scale of Nazi Germany. All of the "empire builders" of Europe committed some pretty heinous acts in the developing world including Belgium, Germany, Russia, France, Italy, Holland and yes, Great Britain. But none of them created a well oiled machinery for industrialized murder like the Nazis did. There is a reason Germany and Japan are still hated by millions on both sides of the world. Today folks like to gloss over the bad stuff or spout of inanities like" All sides committed war crimes in WW2" but only the Japanese and Germans made murder a part of day to day operation. Even to the point of issuing orders and directives for the procedure to be followed when slaughtering millions. As far as I am concerned apologists need not bother yapping to me about the subject. I have made a fairly thorough study of WW2 and although no ones hands are clean, a few have blood up to their elbows.
Odd, a isn't it, how some like to sit up on their imagined perch, and sneer at the people who suffered at the hands of the Nazi regime. I wasn't born until 1947, but have vivid recollections of my Mom's brother telling my Dad a few things about WW2 and the Korean War. As far as such and such ethnic groups not being fighters, he assured my Dad that any of the men from the Indian Army that he dealt with were fighters, as were our own Aboriginal soldiers.
I am grateful to those who did serve.
I am grateful to those who did serve.
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History is always written by the Victor, ive read lots of books about WWII and the story all ways seem to be written the American style, Ie. at Normandy there known to have done the best job, or experienced more than the Canadians or Brits, which is somewhat true but trying to take credit for the victory in western Europe is absurd. Then theres the story of the Russian side, accusing the Germans for attacking them first and they didn't want anything to do with it, while Stalin was the one that was getting ready to strike Europe, but Hitler surprised attacked him and pushed his army back quite abit..(you know how it goes). Ive read the story from the German side to, which is very interesting, it was mentioned that they were trying to stop Communism from invading that part of Europe. During the 30's when the German economy was booming on its own strength the Superpowers didn't like that- they didn't want Germany to have the strongest economy, and the Bankers of that time wanted Germany to collapse (The world bankers do that to this day, IE. when a country rises on its own strength, they want them put out of business and want the country to relay on them), but the only way to do that was to start a war against them. The German story is quite different which I think many should look into or To search "the truth about WWII".
I've seen that many people like to attack the Germans for war crimes and about the holocaust, but look at what the Americans did at the end of the war: They killed 1.7 million German POW through starvation and leaving them fenced in a camp with out shelter, which is a quite sad.
http://www.rense.com/general46/germ.htm
The Russians also killed about 25 Million of their own people through out time and took Many German POW of war and kept them for forced labor for many years after the war.
Ive had many family members, fight against the Germans in Romania, many losing their lives at the hands of the German army- but I have nothing against the Germans or hate them or other people. War is War things like these happen almost everywhere.
I've seen that many people like to attack the Germans for war crimes and about the holocaust, but look at what the Americans did at the end of the war: They killed 1.7 million German POW through starvation and leaving them fenced in a camp with out shelter, which is a quite sad.
http://www.rense.com/general46/germ.htm
The Russians also killed about 25 Million of their own people through out time and took Many German POW of war and kept them for forced labor for many years after the war.
Ive had many family members, fight against the Germans in Romania, many losing their lives at the hands of the German army- but I have nothing against the Germans or hate them or other people. War is War things like these happen almost everywhere.
One could argue Stalin was way ahead of Hitler when it came to institutionalized slave labor and murder. And yet , the allies never said Boo, before during or after. In fact they returned Russians and other Nationals, that they most certainly knew were facing execution
Grizz
My Opa, dad's father was worked to death in forced labour camps in Siberia after the WW2, after the Cold War was over the Red Cross mailed out letters to German families informing them when and in what region of Siberia their family members died in. Pretty grim ####. Yes the nazi regime committed mass attrocities but if you dig deep enough so has almost every other nationality throughout history. Romans, Christians, British empire etc etc. One could go on and on.
fritzhanzel
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