sound suppressors on non-firearm airguns legal ?
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suppressors are even illegal on paintball markers, and I would think that these fall into the same category as a air rifle under 500 fps, as you need only to be 18 to buy one, they function under 500 fps etc. in short I would say, save yourself the hassle and avoid them.
"Apparently a well-informed member of the RCMP, who has considerable impact on what is and is not legal, is unable to provide justification other than to resort to tautological argument- It's illegal therefore it's illegal."
He is presumably telling you the truth. At one level it's obvious, criminals might want to/may have int he past use(d) them, so the rest of us can't have them. Going beyond what we assume to be the truth to the "truth" is a sketchy exercise, since it isn't even always clear why laws are passed today, let alone in 1934.
It was heartening to see an article in the mainline firearms press last year, making a case for silencers. A lot of us have sustained significant hearing loss over the years from shooting in situations where ear muffs weren't available or in use.
He is presumably telling you the truth. At one level it's obvious, criminals might want to/may have int he past use(d) them, so the rest of us can't have them. Going beyond what we assume to be the truth to the "truth" is a sketchy exercise, since it isn't even always clear why laws are passed today, let alone in 1934.
It was heartening to see an article in the mainline firearms press last year, making a case for silencers. A lot of us have sustained significant hearing loss over the years from shooting in situations where ear muffs weren't available or in use.
i had to shoot into a culvert about a week ago and my ears rang for three days!
i would have a silencer so fast it's not even funny. coyotes would be less likely run after the first one was shot. my hunting partners wouldn't have to plug their ears before i shot.
also i wear ear plugs every time i shoot. but sometimes i'm concerned for the safety of others because i wouldn't be able to hear someone yelling if something was to happen. some sort of watch out for something behind the target i don't see... i don't know, safety comes from being cautious and i feel as though that's one way i can't be sufficiently cautious...
Funny thing is, one time about 10 years ago, I popped into a paintball shop to have a look. They had a full auto paintball gun (Tippman I think) with a sound suppressor on it. I questioned whether it was legal or not and they said it was.
Not something I was going to take a chance on, and not cheap, but it did look cool, up on their wall.
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I would question this based on the technicalilty offered on the gun. If it is not classified as a firearm, then whatever you place on/over the barrel could be anything? IE a weight or an extension.
It's not a silencer until it is attached to a firearm?
I'm lost on this one.....
It's not a silencer until it is attached to a firearm?
I'm lost on this one.....
Get a pair of electronic ear muffs. I own two sets of Peltors. Most of the time I will wear a set of earplugs as well. I can hear people talk normally and even the sound of brass hitting the ground yet it blocks out the noisier sounds (like gunfire).
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In some cities like mine there are bylaws that may describe air guns and airsoft guns as firearms. In Mississauga it's illegal to fire air guns, airsoft guns and bows/crossbows. All considered firearms! and treated as such by Police.
I have very bad hearing I wonder if fireing 2 boxes of 12ga almost every weekend from age 14 to @25 had anything to do with it? I read somewhere that a group of sportsmen launched a class action law suite against their gov't for hearing damage and actually won the right to have suppressors but I cant remember what country it was? mabey green land, or iceladn or something , ahh I'll have to go google it.
I believe that the explanation is that the under 500 FPS airgun is still legally considered to be a firearm, its just exempted from the registration and licensing requirements.
That's not my understanding... an airgun becomes a firearm when it exceeds 500 fps, not before. However, if you use it in a crime, then it WILL be considered a firearm even if it's incapable of shooting any projectile (like replica firearms or even painted water pistols, for example). Why one wouldn't be able to put a silencer on a sub-500 fps airgun is beyond me, as the CC clearly states that a prohibited silencer is that which can be used on a firearm. Therefore, I think it has everything to do with the max velocity of the airgun you are actually using it on.
Basically, at 499 fps, you've got a kids' toy in your hands... at 501 fps, you're worse than Charles Manson!
I would agree. But then the T97 isn't prohib, since it doesn't fire on full auto. As soon as Those Who Cannot Be Criticized rig your item so it does become illegal, then you are a criminal.
Bob there is an explanation here of how and why suppressors were made legal in the UK by sportsmen making use of Health & Safety legislation to force the police to allow them to be used......
http://www.reflexsuppressors.co.uk/
They were supported by the BASC http://www.basc.org.uk/
They still have to be recorded on the firearms license but the system is somewhat laughable since suppressors are not given serial numbers. So they are in effect untraceable. You can also buy suppressors over the counter in most UK gunshops which will thread onto air rifles or rimfire rifles.
Their approach is very different to here in Canada.
Suppressors are fine in the UK, as long as they are registered on a corrosponding firearms. (Density of population & noise pollution are are the key factors.) Not registered = big problems. Also remember that pistols are not held by the general public. To have a rifle + suppressor means you really have to go through the vetting process.
On air rifles (under 12ft/lbs) are not required to be registered, therefore silencers are a non issue. (With the increase in popularity of PCP (precharged) air rifles, silencers have become almost standard.)
With regard to a single shot Drozd, that is down to 'firepower'. Her Majesty's Police Forces' do not like to be 'out gunned', as they were some years ago when faced with Michael Ryan. (AK47 / pump shotgun / semi auto pistol.)
In some respects it is a more proactive approach to ownership, but on the whole Canada is far superior.
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