BeaverMeat
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Not law yet...
Source for NR Vz-58 receivers?
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Not law yet...
Quite correct, but there's a Liberal majority in the commons, a third of the "opposition" is socialist/communist, and the senate was filled with Trudeau worshipping hacks. The only way to stop this thing is for them to time out (it dies on the order paper), or withdraw it. It will not be allowed to time out - the Libs will force closure rather than let it die and I think Justin sees himself as heavily invested in this, so they won't withdraw it. They got an opinion from a spin firm that this would be good for them in the election, and given their numbers they really NEED to have some way to improve their chances, I think they're going to hang their hat on it and ride it into the next election, along with the legal dope thing. I think the dope rules will pass in September/October and this will go through in November/December, so they can wave their flag at the next Poly grave dancing festival in January. If it goes through sooner, they'll add something splashy (like AR's, 50 cals, or Mini 14's) in January, if that backfires, they'll blame the cops, if it goes over well, they'll be happy to take the credit. Then they'll start spending money on buying votes in a serious way.
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They are not named prohibs though. By nature of their once full auto receivers, by Canadian law they are prohib. The rcmp was following the letter of the law - after approving these guns they gained new in formation to suggest they were built on converted automatic receivers, which is a big no no. The previous government wrote an exemption for them to keep them NR. The current government is rescinding that exemption and giving the owners prohib licenses so they don't have to deal with a buy back or anything.
To me, this is all about undoing CPC work, not about punishing us. We're just collateral damage.
MauserMike
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When in the manufacturing process is a full auto receiver legally deemed to be that? When its 100% completed with serial number affixed? 80%? 50%? When assembled for the first time into a barrelled action? Complete firearm?
These were new rifles delivered from the manufacturer CZ. Does anyone really know how CZ put these rifles together?
It has nothing to do with timidness, rather economics. At the cost of a receiver, plus the difficulty of barrel installation on a CZ858, it doesn't make sense from a cost perspective. I'm sure someone will offer the service but the cost will probably be close to just buying a CSA vz-58.
If I'm not mistaken, there is a block welded into the receiver to prevent the use of full auto trigger groups. My understanding is the rifles in question were built on military receivers that were modified to no longer accept an auto sear. They were not originally manufactured to become semi auto only guns, that happened after the fact.
Notice how this doesn't apply to vz58, which are purpose built semi autos, and not the repurposed ex - military receivers used in the 858?
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Internals are different. And well documented. It would not end well upon seizure and inspection. The safety lever alone is a clue.
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Essentially.
The question is... does converted auto status apply if the gun never was finished into a complete firing gun? Or does the welding constitute a continutation of the original manifacture process to make a semi auto rifle.
No definition... so they make the favourable decision in their direction.
You might be right. But some of us might pay it to save the CZ from the smelter and infuriate the liberals. I would pay it. Register the old receiver as a 12(9), and use the new KD receiver as a NR, until they ban them too.
Or if the Conservatives ever fix our gun laws.
I honestly guess you didn't read my post which said the same thing lol
I honestly think this is a temporary problem. Until the PC's get back in.
Also, why is everyone assuming the 2005-2006 CZ-858 rifles will be prohib? The way I read it they are just reversing the motion made by the PC's. There was never any reason to prohib those early rifles so if they are banning them as a "variant" now all of a sudden you can include the VZ58s as well.
Also, why is everyone assuming the 2005-2006 CZ-858 rifles will be prohib? The way I read it they are just reversing the motion made by the PC's. There was never any reason to prohib those early rifles so if they are banning them as a "variant" now all of a sudden you can include the VZ58s as well.
I hope you are right for the sake of my 2006 CZ. And it Might be temporary if we get a majority the next election. IF.....
But then again I thought it was temporary when the Liberals stopped the SAPs (ATT) for the 12(x). Then the Conservatives got in....and did not do anything. And now it has been 13 years since I shot my AK, FN, Tommy and HK91.
Doubt it. Cz858/san rifles are done for. The CPC doesn't actually care about gun owners, if they did they wouldn't have screwed us so bad.
They never repealed the FA even though at one point Harper said he would. They didn't even fill the vacant senate seats, which would have given a majority in the senate to the conservatives who would in turn be able to do something about this bill...
Anyway, if any actual sponsors could chime in on the possibility of providing NR receivers and a gunsmithing service to transplant the barrel, that would be awesome!
Arms East has an approved FRT (166182) for our VZN-58 Rifle/Receiver and the ability to produce fairly quickly. We are exploring the situation and will have more to say on it in the coming days.
all we need is a letter from the manufacture that these were built on receivers that were NEVER assembled as full autos even if made with FA cut if NEVER assembled as FA they would NOT be CA rifles....
Than VZ58 would become a variant and would be a prohib as well. Prety stupid solution.
