SP01 problems in Ottawa

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I have not got my Tanfoglio yet. Should be here tomorrow Sean! What sold me on the gun were the adjustable sights, gun reputation in Europe, I have a friend in Sweden who owns one and reported very good results and I am told finish is somewhat better. Other than that beauty is in the eyes of the beholder and I will let you know via a range report what my thoughts are after I give the gun a workout.

My Hi-Powers are great guns. Single action, very well made and dependalbe battle proven pistols. The trigger pull on all three of mine can only be described as average. Remember I have been spoiled by well tuned 1911 triggers. The pull is long for S/A gun. Fit and finish on my three are very good.

My CZ 85 has been as dependable as a Zippo Lighter or a bag boy golf cart. Had problems with the extractor only because gunk got underneath the spring. Gunnar was able to pound the retaining pin out and clean it up and it should be good to go for another zillion rounds. I'll clean the channel out more frequently now I know the pin can be driven out. The CZ SP-01 design (75B with an extended dust cover), are well made dependable guns that do very well in IPSC. Unfortunately they do not conform to IDPA due to the dust cover so if I wanted a gun I could use for both disciplines I went with the Tanfoglio. Time will tell if I made the right decision and paying the extra was worth it.

For a very good discussion on the Hi-Power/CZ Platforms go to Stephen A. Camp's website. He has written a very good report that compares the two platforms. Mr. Camp is a gentlman whose opinions are worth noting and a fine man at that.

http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/

Take Care
 
I shot CZs in ipsc for a while, both 75 and 85C; when they worked, I frequently would win stages. When they didn't, I would come near the bottom. I had double feeds, guns locking open on me in the middle of mags, mags not falling out free, stove pipes, etc. By trial and error was I was able to eliminate some of them, but never all.

A friend of mine is shooting a CZ and he never had any problems. So, it's hit and miss with CZ, I think. Never going back, as much as I like the gun(s). I keep one for people to use in a BB course, that's about it.
 
Don't ever depend on a zippo working

Especially when you don't put fuel in it. Otherwise flick striker flame comes on. Kind of like a gun. Guns never go bang when they don't have cartridges in them. Aside from the mechanical truism that anything can and will malfunction from time to time - I respectfully suggest the CZ design and in particular the 75 and it's variants have undergun and survived the most severe torture tests ever applied to a handgun design and have passed. I particularily like the SP-01 tests where several guns were shot then totally disassembled and had to be reassembled from mixed parts and then were expected to continue to perform.

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All factory guns will be able to do this....
Canuck44 said:
I particularily like the SP-01 tests where several guns were shot then totally disassembled and had to be reassembled from mixed parts and then were expected to continue to perform.
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Canuck44 said:
Colin I have an 85 made in 1988. The dual slide release is a non-issue. Nary a problem with it. I am the third owner of the gun, brother carried it for a number of years. Think Gunnar was trying to sellyou a NZ 85. Very good gun and CZ's I don't think have anymore or less problems then any other pistol. Mechanical devices do fail from time to time but you would expect that.

While my Hi-Powers are ###ier if I had to take one to a gun fight the CZ would be the gun I took. Better trigger would be the deciding factor in the CZ

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Don't think he was trying to sell me one, as I already have one! :)

the only thing I don't like on them is the serration on the slide, very hard to grip.
 
All factory guns will be able to do this....

I hope so. That said I know the SP-01 will because that was one of the criteria set by the Czech police when they changed guns.

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Canuck44 said:
I respectfully suggest the CZ design and in particular the 75 and it's variants have undergun and survived the most severe torture tests ever applied to a handgun design and have passed.
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then it's the case of individual guns not all being built to the same design or the same specs as the guns which passed those tests. I laugh at anyone being willing to depend on my cz-85combat for their life, in any LE or military situation. Maybe the cz-75 in the next guy's holster is flawless, I don't know, all I can say is I had no ends of problems with my CZ, and despite ton of service by extremely competent gunsmiths, we were not able to elimate all the issues. I don't care if it is based on a proven design, my gun is not reliable or consistent.
 
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then it's the case of individual guns not all being built to the same design or the same specs as the guns which passed those tests. I laugh at anyone being willing to depend on my cz-85combat for their life, in any LE or military situation. Maybe the cz-75 in the next guy's holster is flawless, I don't know, all I can say is I had no ends of problems with my CZ, and despite ton of service by extremely competent gunsmiths, we were not able to elimate all the issues. I don't care if it is based on a proven design, my gun is not reliable or consistent.
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Mine was also terribly unreliable. So are the CZ's of a never-ending series of posters to the CZ forum, all asking why they lock open prematurely, fail to extract, double feed, you name it. Also, that extractor design is the absolute pitts. That they have packed it along for 30 years is shameful.

CZ convinced me to shoot a Glock. You might be able to go righter than with Glock, but you can't go wrong.
 
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Don't ever depend on a zippo working

Especially when you don't put fuel in it. Otherwise flick striker flame comes on. Kind of like a gun. Guns never go bang when they don't have cartridges in them. Aside from the mechanical truism that anything can and will malfunction from time to time - I respectfully suggest the CZ design and in particular the 75 and it's variants have undergun and survived the most severe torture tests ever applied to a handgun design and have passed. I particularily like the SP-01 tests where several guns were shot then totally disassembled and had to be reassembled from mixed parts and then were expected to continue to perform.

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I should also note: There is a reason Mountain Equipment Coop doesn't carry Zippo lighters. They just are not reliable. When your life depends on being able to start a fire, in any conditions, rain, sleet, snow or wind, you are crazy to pack a Zippo.

Don't say I never warned you.
 
I just use them to light cigarettes, and they work for that. I carry waterproof mataches and wax soaked cotton balls when I camp. A couple of guys here have had probems with their CZ's, so every CZ is junk. Well I don't share that view at all. Jeff Cooper said that CZ 75 was a the time of his writing the statement "the best of the nines", and that is a very strong recomendation from a guy whi lived and loved the 1911 in .45acp (my favourite).

As to the comment regarding guys writing in on the CZ forum regarding problems with the guns. Where else do they write to? Check out the Sig Forum, the Glock Forum or any of the 1911 forums and you read about all the problems one can have with a mechanical device.

I have had very good luck with my CZ 85 and expect to have and achieve very good results with my Tanfoglio "L" Model which is a take-off of the CZ 75B. For me I would rely on my 85 Combat to safe my life. For the bedroom though I have my Norinco Commander with 8 rounds of 185 gr Montana Gold HP. Prefer the .45acp over the 9MM for close encounters of the personal kind. For the action sports such as IPSC/IDPA like the 9MM.

Most important thing is if YOUR gun is reliable and you can shoot it well then you have the solution to the problem you want to solve.

Take Care
 
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I just use them to light cigarettes, and they work for that. I carry waterproof mataches and wax soaked cotton balls when I camp.
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You've just made my point for me. Zippo's are good enough to play with, but for work, use something else.

A couple of guys here have had probems with their CZ's, so every CZ is junk. Well I don't share that view at all. Jeff Cooper said that CZ 75 was a the time of his writing the statement "the best of the nines", and that is a very strong recomendation from a guy whi lived and loved the 1911 in .45acp (my favourite).
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Appeals to authority....

Besides, he later went on to praise the Glock similarly.

As to the comment regarding guys writing in on the CZ forum regarding problems with the guns. Where else do they write to? Check out the Sig Forum, the Glock Forum or any of the 1911 forums and you read about all the problems one can have with a mechanical device.
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It's the number and severity of problems. Glock, Sig, HK, and Beretta forums combined have fewer posted problems than the CZ forum.

I have had very good luck with my CZ 85 and expect to have and achieve very good results with my Tanfoglio "L" Model which is a take-off of the CZ 75B. For me I would rely on my 85 Combat to safe my life. For the bedroom though I have my Norinco Commander with 8 rounds of 185 gr Montana Gold HP. Prefer the .45acp over the 9MM for close encounters of the personal kind. For the action sports such as IPSC/IDPA like the 9MM.
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Yes, you've had good luck. LUCK. Luck shouldn't be a factor. Why buy a gun brand when there is a chance it will work well? If a gun company makes some crappy guns, it is a crappy gun company. CZ is a crappy gun company.

The same, incidentally goes for the old hit and miss Norinco. Omen got a good one, others have had their frames crack.

Most important thing is if YOUR gun is reliable and you can shoot it well then you have the solution to the problem you want to solve.

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True. In my case, I had to buy 3 guns to get one reliable one. The reliable one is from a brand that is well known for reliability. In retrospect, I should have bought a brand known for reliability from the start, in spite of the fact that it is nearly $150 more (oh my dear lordy!). This is what I now advise others to do, based on my dissatisfaction with the previous two brands.

You never save money, buying cheap junk. 'There is nothign more expensive than a free car' is the old saying.

Cheers.
 
I will be squaded with Angus for the Area 7 Championships...i'll see how his SP-01 holds up! haha....but we all know his is alittle tweaked !
 
Musky Hunter said:
I will be squaded with Angus for the Area 7 Championships...i'll see how his SP-01 holds up! haha....but we all know his is alittle tweaked !
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I'd venture to guess that the top CZ factory team shooters aren't exactly using an "out-of-the-box" gun.

There has been a lot of criticism of CZ for this, at the last weorld shoot, and on the IPSC global village.
 
Bartledan

It's the number and severity of problems. Glock, Sig, HK, and Beretta forums combined have fewer posted problems than the CZ forum.

Nonsense! You haven't counted them so why make such a statement.

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Musky Hunter said:
I will be squaded with Angus for the Area 7 Championships...i'll see how his SP-01 holds up! haha....but we all know his is alittle tweaked !
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Good for you on the squadding - shooting with someone at his level is so cool, but saying Angus' gun is a little tweaked is like saying Jacques Villeneuve drives a BMW. ;)
 
LOL, he just switched to Saturday so i quickly switched squads. Lets hope he doesnt change. I'm just getting my gear ready and will be practicing the next two weeks. Planning on 500 rds Saturday and 400 rds Sunday. Then next weekend i'll shoot another 500 rds or so.
 
Tweaked! Shucks my Tan "L" model is going to reign at our club out of the box. Of course us old farts time ourselves by the minutes...easier than having to keep moving the decimal point. :D

We have a local rule that says when moving you cannot have both feet off the ground at the same time, and puffing is not allowed.

Bartledan: You are the first person I have ever heard of post that a Norinco 1911 experienced a frame crack, that is turly a first for me. I thank-you for that.

I suppose the CZ's that are winning everything in sight theses days are just lucky tricked out guns from a "crappy" gun company. Are Tanfoglios even more crappy given they are a clone of the 75B's? They surely must be a step below CZ being a clone. I suspect there are going to be a lot of upset CZ SP-01 owners out there in a year or two when their guns start to fall apart on them. No doubt they will move to the Glock and life and the Universe will be again in balance.

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Canuck44 said:
It's the number and severity of problems. Glock, Sig, HK, and Beretta forums combined have fewer posted problems than the CZ forum.

Nonsense! You haven't counted them so why make such a statement.

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Easy. I don't have to count all the apples to know which tree has more, when one is ponderous with fruit, and the other nearly bare.

Was that the only point you could rebut, and the best that you could come up with?

Cheers.
 
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