SRV2 Siberian Reviews

Gatehouse, you do make a good point and A+ effort to gather and post all that info.
Just seems to me that this "glitch" with the Siberian firing pin would have been showing up in the company's own research and development.
Seems odd that they didn't catch and fix this glitch prior to releasing rifles to the market and yes..... it is a damn good thing no one got hurt.
I've never owned a firearm that suffered a glitch, recall or exploding bolt/carrier so I guess I am lucky. LOL
My posts should not be perceived as me having a hate on for these rifles or the other 180 platforms. I genuinely hoped that the launch of all these guns would be smooth ..... because they are made in Canada. However it seems that there are a lot of little glitches and issues needing to be addressed by the end user that should have.... and would have.... shown up in these various company's own testing.
To me it is forcing the end user to pay for something that is really not ready for market and the end user is the beta tester. Just one man's opinion so not worth much in the grand scheme of things. Just seems like this type of behavior has become acceptable in the Canadian firearms community and I find that strange. I'm not paying for one of these rifles until there are no glitches or quirks being reported. I just want to hear about safety, reliability and accuracy because when this gets scaled up to 7.62 I want to be one of the first in line hehehe
 
Gatehouse said:
People act like this is the first time a gun or ammo company has had problems or recalls. The firing pin on the Siberian, the piston on some of the early WK's are small potatoes. Nobody has been hurt by one of the 180's to my knowledge. Unlike some products from major, established companies that have seriously injured or even killed people.



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and then there are the issues that don't get recalled - like the norinco m305 exploding pot metal bolts ...
 
the radium king said:
and then there are the issues that don't get recalled - like the norinco m305 exploding pot metal bolts ...
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I agree, once those pot metal MIM bolts started to show up, the importers should have recalled every last one of them.
Prior to that though, the m305 had a pretty good safety record considering how many of them were imported and sold going back to the late 80's , early 90's
 
Horilka said:
Are BCL and Norinco partners by chance?
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I think the m305 issues rest with the importer.
I'm not aware of any issues with BCL that they are not addressing. They seem to admit to the issue and are providing a solution in a timely manner.
I would have also liked for this issue to have been caught earlier rendering it a non issue, but I have to assume that both the distributor and BCL were hoping to get them out the door before the current dictator banned all semi's. Hopefully we will see reasonable governance soon where Canadian innovation and manufacturing can thrive.

If you can support the gun organizations, ATRS, CCF, JCCF, CCLA and the applicable political candidates that can actually win and turn this around before we loose more than our guns.

On a Siberian review sidenote, I was able to take a tiny bit of material off the top of a Phase 5 v3 bolt release and it it to my Siberian. I like this vs the factory option as it's consistent with how I have ARs or similar setup. The release is on the way down from the mag release to the trigger. And it allows me to lock the bolt back with my trigger finger...although it was fairly easy to do with my left middle finger while pulling back the charging handle.
Personally I like the charging handle, I feel it's large enough not to miss and not cut up my fingers, but small enough it's not that obtrusive that it gets caught on things. I think its better than say the MRA Renegade or Maverick handles which are quite large.
Hopefully BCL, TNA or someone makes alternatives for those wanting them, like something folding as mentioned earlier.
 
I loaded few dummy rounds with a live primer and run them in few different 5.56 rifles, nothing detonated but SIBERIAN had a deeper mark on primer. Now I think if this accidents were with hand loads with someone kind of light primers.
OOB detonation is not something new.
Still waiting for new FP , will do same test with new one . Installed TRIGGERTECH can't wait to squeeze this!
 
45ACPKING said:
Gatehouse, you do make a good point and A+ effort to gather and post all that info.
Just seems to me that this "glitch" with the Siberian firing pin would have been showing up in the company's own research and development.
Seems odd that they didn't catch and fix this glitch prior to releasing rifles to the market and yes..... it is a damn good thing no one got hurt.
I've never owned a firearm that suffered a glitch, recall or exploding bolt/carrier so I guess I am lucky. LOL
My posts should not be perceived as me having a hate on for these rifles or the other 180 platforms. I genuinely hoped that the launch of all these guns would be smooth ..... because they are made in Canada. However it seems that there are a lot of little glitches and issues needing to be addressed by the end user that should have.... and would have.... shown up in these various company's own testing.
To me it is forcing the end user to pay for something that is really not ready for market and the end user is the beta tester. Just one man's opinion so not worth much in the grand scheme of things. Just seems like this type of behavior has become acceptable in the Canadian firearms community and I find that strange. I'm not paying for one of these rifles until there are no glitches or quirks being reported. I just want to hear about safety, reliability and accuracy because when this gets scaled up to 7.62 I want to be one of the first in line hehehe
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The thing is- EVERY manufacturer of ANYTHING discovers glitches in their products after customers find problems. Ford, GMC, Sony, Apple, Honda etc etc.

People like to rant about the various Canadian 180 platforms but forget the AR15 was not without issues in it's first few years either-and it's evolved.

FWIW I have 3 WS-MCR and 1 WK-180 with a combined round count of over 30K rounds and no problems other than minor stuff like a broken firing pin etc. They are all coming into the round count area where problems DO arise with any firearm so I'm waiting for failure. I know some people have had problems right offr the bat and I am not discounting them but I think it is unfair to label all the 180 makers as using customers as beta testers- because they can only test so much on their own-just like Apple or GMC. Customers identify a problem and it's how the company goes about fixing it that matters. BCL reacted quickly to the firing pin. They didn't try to say it was because yoiyur ammo is wrong etc like so many established long timer gun makers do

I really wish I had the need for another 180 style rifle as I like my friends Siberian and I would buy one and have 10k rounds through it before the end of August and would shoot it to failure- no cleaning at all. But as stated I'm pretty full in that gun area so I'm not ready to pounce on one yet.
 
The list of firearms with relative recalls were all produced in the 100's of thousands, and in some cases, millions. So your going to see a relative ratio of issues. Where as BCL has a horrible track record at launch... having an extremely low relative production, and high ratio of failure.

To compare them to the evolution of Colt, Winchester, S&W etc is ridiculous.
 
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josh1976 said:
The list of firearms with relative recalls were all produced in the 100's of thousands, and in some cases, millions. Where as BCLs have all failed at launch... having extremely low relative production.
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Yeah, you woukd think those big companies with many resources woukd have been able to figure out every problem prior to launching …but even they didn’t get everything 100% correct.
 
scourge18a said:
I think the m305 issues rest with the importer.
I'm not aware of any issues with BCL that they are not addressing. They seem to admit to the issue and are providing a solution in a timely manner.
I would have also liked for this issue to have been caught earlier rendering it a non issue, but I have to assume that both the distributor and BCL were hoping to get them out the door before the current dictator banned all semi's. Hopefully we will see reasonable governance soon where Canadian innovation and manufacturing can thrive.
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You see the issue as firing pin issue, so in your opinion it is addressed.
I see the issue with probably cast or powder metal of carrier, and all I hear is crickets. I asked above - how many firearms with pot metal carrier/bolt do we know? Apparently there was brave Norinco experiment with M305, so that's at least one.
I'm not even mentioning other obvious design flaws. Basic stuff known to most of firearm users, but god forbid BCL engineers hear about it... I mean I'm rooting so much for Canadian companies, but they make it so-o-o-o hard...
 
Horilka said:
You see the issue as firing pin issue, so in your opinion it is addressed.
I see the issue with probably cast or powder metal of carrier, and all I hear is crickets. I asked above - how many firearms with pot metal carrier/bolt do we know? Apparently there was brave Norinco experiment with M305, so that's at least one.
I'm not even mentioning other obvious design flaws. Basic stuff known to most of firearm users, but god forbid BCL engineers hear about it... I mean I'm rooting so much for Canadian companies, but they make it so-o-o-o hard...
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I don't know what metal it was made with, so I cannot comment. If someone can confirm the metal,that would be great,but I doubt we'll find the answer on CGN.
If more explode,I'll be concerned, otherwise I don't really care.
Handloads with primers not seated properly can definitely be a problem with semi's. I'd recommend everyone check their primer depth if they aren't already. I assume primers, stupidity and over pressure loads are the basic reasons why manufacturers recommend against handloads.
 
Horilka said:
You see the issue as firing pin issue, so in your opinion it is addressed.
I see the issue with probably cast or powder metal of carrier, and all I hear is crickets. I asked above - how many firearms with pot metal carrier/bolt do we know? Apparently there was brave Norinco experiment with M305, so that's at least one.
I'm not even mentioning other obvious design flaws. Basic stuff known to most of firearm users, but god forbid BCL engineers hear about it... I mean I'm rooting so much for Canadian companies, but they make it so-o-o-o hard...
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Can you tell us what type of metal they are using for the bolt carrier?

Can you elaborate on design flaws?

What is your personal experience with these or any Canadian 180 style rifle makers?

I only have the experience with what I listed above- shot my friends Siberian a few times and 30K + rounds through 3 MCR and 1 WK.
 
Horilka said:
You see the issue as firing pin issue, so in your opinion it is addressed.
I see the issue with probably cast or powder metal of carrier, and all I hear is crickets. I asked above - how many firearms with pot metal carrier/bolt do we know? Apparently there was brave Norinco experiment with M305, so that's at least one.
I'm not even mentioning other obvious design flaws. Basic stuff known to most of firearm users, but god forbid BCL engineers hear about it... I mean I'm rooting so much for Canadian companies, but they make it so-o-o-o hard...
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My partner is native. She said you are talking with a forked tongue.

Not my words, take it up with her but I do not recommend it, lol.
 
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