Stag 10 vs BCL 102... the unspoken question

EDF339 said:
Infinite shot barrel warranty ? Even for 6.5CM!? Guess I am trying out this cal with Stag10 then.
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I would be curious to know what level of deterioration in accuracy they call "shot out", and who makes the determination your barrel meets that criteria.

This offer makes sense with a company like Falkor Dracos barrels, but Stag???
 
onetwentyish said:
I would be curious to know what level of deterioration in accuracy they call "shot out", and who makes the determination your barrel meets that criteria.

This offer makes sense with a company like Falkor Dracos barrels, but Stag???
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I wouldn't too much about that warranty, its only valid in the USA.


EXCLUSIONS: Modification or alteration of a firearm will void this warranty. This warranty does not cover normal wear. Any damage resulting from careless handling, neglect, unauthorized repairs, unauthorized adjustments, unauthorized modifications, rust, or corrosion is not covered. This warranty is not valid outside the United States of America. Stag Arms LLC will not be responsible for the results of defective, low-quality, hand-loaded, reloaded, or improper ammunition.
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griffin86 said:
I wouldn't too much about that warranty, its only valid in the USA.
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Read the warranty details carefully, "lifetime warranty from defeats of material and craftsmanship" and "Infinite shot warranty" only applied to complete rifles. parts (including the barrel)and accessories are warrant for a year from the date of purchase and Arms East has stated previously they will honour Stag Arm's warranty in Canada on anything that is purchased through them and IRG have said the same thing on any product that was purchased through them.
 
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griffin86 said:
It doesn't harden the surface, if you want to Cerakote, you should anodize first.
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The below is from CeraKote's website: Impact, abrasion, scratch and gouging resistance testing per ASTM tests sure sounds like it hardens the surface to me.
It strikes me as odd that a company with an engineering and manufacturing background would produce, sell and warranty for life a rifle where they took a seemingly obvious short cut in the elimination of anodizing. It begs the question - is anodizing required, or is it a fading technology like chrome lining?

ASTM D3363
Exceeds 9h scratch and gouge hardness
• ASTM D4060
Taber abrasion greater than 8000 wear cycles per mil
• ASTM B117
Corrosion resistance more than 3000 hours
• ASTM D2794
Direct and indirect impact resistance of 160 in-lbs.
• ASTM D522
0mm coating loss at 180o mandrel bend
 
beltfed said:
The below is from CeraKote's website: Impact, abrasion, scratch and gouging resistance testing per ASTM tests sure sounds like it hardens the surface to me.
It strikes me as odd that a company with an engineering and manufacturing background would produce, sell and warranty for life a rifle where they took a seemingly obvious short cut in the elimination of anodizing. It begs the question - is anodizing required, or is it a fading technology like chrome lining?

ASTM D3363
Exceeds 9h scratch and gouge hardness
• ASTM D4060
Taber abrasion greater than 8000 wear cycles per mil
• ASTM B117
Corrosion resistance more than 3000 hours
• ASTM D2794
Direct and indirect impact resistance of 160 in-lbs.
• ASTM D522
0mm coating loss at 180o mandrel bend
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BCL would never take a shortcut. :rolleyes: Lol
 
beltfed said:
The below is from CeraKote's website: Impact, abrasion, scratch and gouging resistance testing per ASTM tests sure sounds like it hardens the surface to me.
It strikes me as odd that a company with an engineering and manufacturing background would produce, sell and warranty for life a rifle where they took a seemingly obvious short cut in the elimination of anodizing. It begs the question - is anodizing required, or is it a fading technology like chrome lining?

ASTM D3363
Exceeds 9h scratch and gouge hardness
• ASTM D4060
Taber abrasion greater than 8000 wear cycles per mil
• ASTM B117
Corrosion resistance more than 3000 hours
• ASTM D2794
Direct and indirect impact resistance of 160 in-lbs.
• ASTM D522
0mm coating loss at 180o mandrel bend
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All I can say is that in just under 500 rounds, my BCL 102 first Gen has gone from being rock solid figment between upper and lower to having veritical up and down side to side movement / wiggling as well as noticeable front to back movement.

There is no noticeable wear on the takedown pins, but I can discern visual wear in the pin holes.

For what it is worth I have only removed the upper and lower a handful of times and very carefully.

My understanding of Type 3 hard coat anodizing is that it hardens the ali. Cerakote just coats it.
 
Markit said:
All I can say is that in just under 500 rounds, my BCL 102 first Gen has gone from being rock solid figment between upper and lower to having veritical up and down side to side movement / wiggling as well as noticeable front to back movement.

There is no noticeable wear on the takedown pins, but I can discern visual wear in the pin holes.

For what it is worth I have only removed the upper and lower a handful of times and very carefully.

My understanding of Type 3 hard coat anodizing is that it hardens the ali. Cerakote just coats it.
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I'm around 300 rounds and my pins are still tight to remove....I've had the rifle apart probably 30 times for cleaning on barrel break in.
 
beltfed said:
The below is from CeraKote's website: Impact, abrasion, scratch and gouging resistance testing per ASTM tests sure sounds like it hardens the surface to me.
It strikes me as odd that a company with an engineering and manufacturing background would produce, sell and warranty for life a rifle where they took a seemingly obvious short cut in the elimination of anodizing. It begs the question - is anodizing required, or is it a fading technology like chrome lining?

ASTM D3363
Exceeds 9h scratch and gouge hardness
• ASTM D4060
Taber abrasion greater than 8000 wear cycles per mil
• ASTM B117
Corrosion resistance more than 3000 hours
• ASTM D2794
Direct and indirect impact resistance of 160 in-lbs.
• ASTM D522
0mm coating loss at 180o mandrel bend
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It strikes me as odd that a company with an engineering and manufacturing background would produce, sell and warranty for life a rifle where they took a seemingly obvious short cut in#fit,finish,quality control
 
Once I get it anodized I am looking at getting slightly larger pins. Will mike it after anodizing.

Now, any of you BCL 102 Gurus able to tell me what barrel nut wrench works on this rifle. Having a hell of a time sourcing one.
 
I checked at Tier 1 Armory.

Conclusion, the nut for the handguard is proprietary. We tried everything they had is their shop, and no actual fit. The nut that holds the barrel, can be done with a regular wrench.

Not too hard to make something for the handguard nut, or use a bit of ingenuity to loosen. Various info on methods in all the threads.

If there is a handguard wrench that fits, I don't know of it.
 
DILLIGAF said:
Every competent gun manufacturer anodizes before cerakoting.
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Right, but are they doing it out of necessity or old habits die hard like chrome lining?

Markit said:
All I can say is that in just under 500 rounds, my BCL 102 first Gen has gone from being rock solid figment between upper and lower to having veritical up and down side to side movement / wiggling as well as noticeable front to back movement.

There is no noticeable wear on the takedown pins, but I can discern visual wear in the pin holes.

For what it is worth I have only removed the upper and lower a handful of times and very carefully.

My understanding of Type 3 hard coat anodizing is that it hardens the ali. Cerakote just coats it.
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Is that a qc issue with the application of the cerakote or failure of the cerakote? I’d fall back to the warranty if it is causing you concern.

hawk-i said:
Type III anodizing is also about 2 thou. thick...not sure how thick ceracoat is.
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Up to 2thou, but generally below and up to 1 thou per that spec in the link posted earlier.
Interestingly, type III anodizing is up to 2thou. Anything greater and it’s performance apparently degrades.

skoal said:
It strikes me as odd that a company with an engineering and manufacturing background would produce, sell and warranty for life a rifle where they took a seemingly obvious short cut in#fit,finish,quality control
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I have one receiver set and one complete rifle (a small sampling I know) and I don’t see evidence of that. I see equipment with quality commensurate with the going prices of rifles in Canada.
 
Paul_1982 said:
I haven't seen a thread discussing this yet... Im assuming due to the close competition between fantastic site sponsors.

It is something that is weighing heavy in my decision making, though... and I bet many others as well. So here it is.

What's the pros and cons to each? I understand the Stag 10 has not yet made it here, but is looks like there are many reviews south of the border.

Price vs quality vs features.... Im sure some of you out there have researched the heck out of these... lets hear it!
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BCL price, seems to stay quite stable. Seen the STAG website lately? Awesome screenshots in another thread. LOL
 
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