Stag 10 vs BCL 102... the unspoken question

sprint said:
There’s a (very / overly / ridiculously) vocal 10% that will flog brand A over brand B.

They are the first ones sinking their money on something they will write an e’exciting new review’ on to call it the new last word in ‘whatever’. And often (not always, but shockingly often) you see these dudes flogging that piece of #### not even 6 months down the road as the other 90% get around to shooting them and exposing the naked realities.

The NEA debacle that played out in real time on this board is the gold standard in “don’t believe everything you read here”. Not long after that started circling the CGN drain with reports of a heavy and gritty trigger and the worlds worst QC there was a fire sale on NEA rifles and you couldn’t sell it if you offered to blow the buyer.

This has repeated itself in many forms:
Swiss arms legendary accuracy (1inchGroups was my absolute favourte here)
Colt 6920 build superiority

It would make a pretty good drinking game to go through in a circle and call out CGNs greatest hits on pre sales hype. But to be honest, the same can be said for virtually any other site on the Internet. Nature of the beast...

Fill in the blanks on yesteryear’s darling. They’re mechanical. They all suck and underperform or even break down in one way or another.
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Not the case here.
I received my fair share of infractions over my vocal thoughts regarding NEA. I'm being fair with my thoughts on the BCL 102. It's not for sale and I waited rather than rush in.

I have a Stag AR15, 2T and a 6R. Both are decent. The 6R now I believe called the super varminter, came with a .5 moa guarantee much like the Les Bauer. They are well known entities. The Stag 10 has been out in the US for a bit now and it's received good reviews. If you think this site is bad, you should see some of the US ones. They would be unmerciful if the Stag 10 was a flaming POS.

On a side note. I have seen a Swiss Arms shoot 1 moa, 5 rounds at 100 yards. Zeiss 6.5-20X on a flat top version. Front bag right in front of the mag along with bean bag for the back. It shot the 63 grain RUAG ammo like crap. Which was a huge surprise. An even bigger surprise was when it printed 1 moa with 62 American Eagle. Can it do it everytime? Not likely. As it was just below 1 moa. But it can do it, sometimes.

Anyways, little to no risk with the Stag. You know what you're getting and it's decent. They've been around for a long time and make decent enough stuff. They aren't an unknown.

My current favorite guns are Mosin Nagants. Talk about garbage....


Fun to collect and shoot however. One thing has nothing to do with the other.
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Mine is the SVT40. Interestingly enough I consider it the great grand daddy to the AR10 as one of the first semi auto's used for similar purposes and with some close to modernish AR10 specs. 24" 1:10 twist barrel, muzzle brake, adjustable gas block and magazine fed. Used as a designated marksman/sniper rifle by a few notable snipers during WWII as well. It was ahead of it's time. Also chambered in 7.62x54r like your Mosin Nagants.
 
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DILLIGAF said:
Judging by how the EE is full of people trying to offload the BCL should give you a good idea on whats better... :popCorn:
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Without discounting your observation, just want to add a bit to it.

Judging by how many other types of firearms are being dumped, so "I can fund my STAG 10 purchase", I'd say a large number of all types are buyers remorse from not initially researching what you put your money into. Loads of firearms sub-300 rounds, with all the shiny gee-gaws added, for sale, of all types and flavors. Seems a lot of people here buy a rifle to go shoot it for one day, add a bunch of crap, and sell "LNIB". Apparently the STAG 10 is alot better than a whole pile of rifles that once held the spot of the most awesome, new shiny thing to hit the country. Lotta "btt" and "price drop" in the good old EE nowadays.

But, it's CGN, everyone needs the next new shiny thing.
 
Sunchild2071 said:
Without discounting your observation, just want to add a bit to it.

Judging by how many other types of firearms are being dumped, so "I can fund my STAG 10 purchase", I'd say a large number of all types are buyers remorse from not initially researching what you put your money into. Loads of firearms sub-300 rounds, with all the shiny gee-gaws added, for sale, of all types and flavors. Seems a lot of people here buy a rifle to go shoot it for one day, add a bunch of crap, and sell "LNIB". Apparently the STAG 10 is alot better than a whole pile of rifles that once held the spot of the most awesome, new shiny thing to hit the country. Lotta "btt" and "price drop" in the good old EE nowadays.

But, it's CGN, everyone needs the next new shiny thing.
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Its a mix of that, and the bad economy for sure. I have been (and currently am) guilty of that. How else can a seemingly permanent student try so many different firearms! :p
 
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The thing I hated about BCL is the constant changing. "Oh this week it's a plain Jane rifle next week here is a match barrel next week here is a match trigger next week here have it all and more" like it's retarded imo.
 
driller212 said:
Its a mix of that, and the bad economy for sure. I have been (and currently am) guilty of that. How else can a seemingly permanent student try so many different firearms! :p
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I think the economy is slowly improving. But as a student, yes, you sure are getting your dollars worth of trying out new offerings.
 
beltfed said:
Not a Stag .308, but Like Epoxy, I have a Stag AR-15 (actually one of the first that made it to Canada). It's a mil-spec AR. Nothing to write home about, but nothing to b!tch about either. Good, solid guns overall.
These Stag 10s I'd expect to be about the same, just bigger.

For all those knocking the BCL-102, do you own one? Which 'gen'?
Are you comparing it to another AR-10 type rifle?
I've worked on NEA AR-15s and can say I haven't seen evidence of the irregularities in the one complete rifle and the one set of receivers that I have of the BCL-102.
I realize reputation can take some time to change for the better, but I think some of the knocks against the BCL are unsubstantiated carry over from NEA.

7075 v. 6061 aluminum used in the receivers:
This one has been discussed repeatedly elsewhere, and my understanding is it's pretty much white noise. 6061 works just fine and does the job and 7075 is not required and essentially overkill.
I don't think BCL has released what type of aluminum they've used in their billet, and quite frankly I don't think it matters much at all. Regardless what Aluminum is used, it's essential the surface treatment is installed and robust enough to resist wear.

Re. Ceracoat v. type III anodizing.
What's the difference? This is a genuine question.
I've had work guns (Colts and Diamacos) with anodizing that was beat to sh!t.
Take a look at the interior of any AR that has had some use and you quickly realize that Anodizing isn't the end-all-be-all finish.
Is the ceracoat going to fail or is it expected to out perform or perform as well as the Anodizing?
I did a trigger job and replaced the pins with some slightly oversized ones that I had to pound in.
I thought that action would damage the ceracoat on the inside of the pin holes, but aside from looking a little discoloured (darker),
it's intact and the pins are tight.
I'm looking forward to seeing how the ceracoat holds up through multiple thousands of rounds.
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Anodizing hardens the surface.
 
griffin86 said:
Anodizing hardens the surface.
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It's a coating, as is Cerakote.
BCL claim they use Cerakote Elite. Seems to me it's a pretty durable finish.

https ://www.cerakoteguncoatings.com/resources/files/testing/Cerakote_Product_Guide_1_10_18.pdf

https ://www.coastlinemetalfinishing.com/uploads/Mil-A-8625%20Specification.pdf
 
beltfed said:
It's a coating, as is Cerakote.
BCL claim they use Cerakote Elite. Seems to me it's a pretty durable finish.

https ://www.cerakoteguncoatings.com/resources/files/testing/Cerakote_Product_Guide_1_10_18.pdf

https ://www.coastlinemetalfinishing.com/uploads/Mil-A-8625%20Specification.pdf
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It doesn't harden the surface, if you want to Cerakote, you should anodize first.
 
beltfed said:
...7075 v. 6061 aluminum used in the receivers:
This one has been discussed repeatedly elsewhere, and my understanding is it's pretty much white noise. 6061 works just fine and does the job and 7075 is not required and essentially overkill.
I don't think BCL has released what type of aluminum they've used in their billet, and quite frankly I don't think it matters much at all. Regardless what Aluminum is used, it's essential the surface treatment is installed and robust enough to resist wear...
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One time the alloy makes a difference is in the event of a case failure, with release of high pressure gas at the breech. In the event of such a failure, 7075 is superior. The receiver will be ruined with either alloy, but less likelihood of harm to the shooter with 7075. Rarely happens, but if it does, it is important.
 
If i did not already have the bcl i would definitely get the stag. With that said i have not had a single issue with my bcl, so i would not being selling it to get a stag. The stag is tempting as hell though!!
 
Infinite shot barrel warranty ? Even for 6.5CM!? Guess I am trying out this cal with Stag10 then.
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LOL, some of comments reminds me of a woman walking down the street and see another woman wearing a newer dress than hers and the only thing she can say is "she looks fat in the dress".

Both rifle will have a place in the Canadian market, just like there many AR brands in Canada. pick a rifle base on what you want to pay and the features you are looking for, who cares what other people on the internet says and you don't have to justify your choice to anyone else. I never understood the mentality of an older rifle has to die because there is a new rifle on the market, perhaps it is a millennial thing?
 
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