Starting Gunsmithing Side Job Looking For Training/Apprenticeship

Which laws?

Since 9 11 the US has been making many changes...

A non resident of the US while living in the US can not possess a firearm, ammunition, brass, powder, bullets, primers, etc.

A permit is available for those who travel there to hunt of shoot in a competition, but I have not seen any paperwork for a student allowing firearms, etc.

When I attended gunsmithing school in 67-67, I could buy, sell and possess everything except fully automatic and silencers. Crossed the border legally both ways with everything...
 
To take any kind of firearms course in the US, you must be accepted, file a DSP 81 - export of knowledge, be vetted by the State Department and wait.

When I took my Armourers courses at the various factories, I filed in a DSP 81 for each one, and had to be vetted by the State Department.
 
To take any kind of firearms course in the US, you must be accepted, file a DSP 81 - export of knowledge, be vetted by the State Department and wait.

When I took my Armourers courses at the various factories, I filed in a DSP 81 for each one, and had to be vetted by the State Department.

How long ago? Export of knowledge is one thing - possessing controlled items in the US is another.
 
Well the changes made in the last 10 years screw us over...

And you think that a valid hunting license issued by any U.S. state is not adequate to permit the alien - living legally in the US, admitted under a temporary visa - to possess a firearm or ammunition? I think it is.
 
And you think that a valid hunting license issued by any U.S. state is not adequate to permit the alien - living legally in the US, admitted under a temporary visa - to possess a firearm or ammunition? I think it is.

The question is NOT about possessing arms and ammo (I travel to the US with guns ammo), it's about taking courses at gunsmithing schools/factory armourers courses, this is where you need a DSP 81.
 
And you think that a valid hunting license issued by any U.S. state is not adequate to permit the alien - living legally in the US, admitted under a temporary visa - to possess a firearm or ammunition? I think it is.

Temporary permits for hunting or target shooting list the specific firearms and the amount of ammunition and the times.

It would not cover what a 2 year gunsmithing course would involve.

Until a US official can issue the paperwork I would not reply on thinking otherwise.
 
First time posting so bear with me.

Experienced Military/LEO and Novice recreational shooter. Taking PCDI Gunsmithing course. Looking to spend next 5-10 years working at it part time to build a reputation and client base. Hopefully it can be a viable retirement job, as a Federal worker I can't see it being worthwhile to go full-time now and give up my pension and benefits.

My question is in regards to courses (in-class/online) available in the Eastern Ontario Region. I know most manufacturers (Glock, Colt etc) run gunsmithing courses but I can't seem to find them within the Ontario region. I'm willing to travel if the course is worthwhile.

I'm also having problems finding a experienced guy to apprentice under. All the guys seem to want to keep their trade within the old boys club.

Hoping to get some feedback about the career and how to better my skillset.

Thanks in advance,

Nick

That course is not recognized as proper gunsmith training and not recognized by the CFO and RCMP...save your money.
 
being a machinist and tool and die maker for the last 40 years I can say there is not much I will buy anymore, I make custom reamers from standard milling cutters and drills, anyone who intends to make a business of gunsmithing should become a machinist first, get a lathe and mill then play for a few years making items thay fit together, threading external is easy, internal is a art especially if its close fit, defiantly learn the skill to hand grind cutters and drills,

myself I can not see a business doing gunsmith work as the main income, it would be more ones and two"s, make one for a customer and one to have around, if say 25 are needed its time for a production shop visit, CNC equipment has come down in costs and cad defiantly made machining easy but it takes a skill to get things to fit together.
 
Thanks for the input guys. Lots of great feedback. A few "Thanks Captain Obvious" ones but the journey continues. I am well aware of the fact that I am not a 65 Year old retiree with 40 years experience but I am going to take what skills I have and start small. Work on the long term and expensive stuff as the seasons pass. If you have anything you want to add I am always looking to hear from experienced shooters.
 
Reading the posts made me reflect and laugh at some of the experiences I went through. Took me about 30 yrs to be actually called a smith and ten years later I'm 60 yrs old and still learning.
I started tinkering with guns around 20 yrs old in the 1970's and realized after working machine shop jobs that metal gunsmithing can be learned from that. I probably would have never entertained the thought of being a smith if it wasn't for the first scope base job I had a smith do. It was so crooked and I knew I could have done better than that easily.

Could never afford a Colorado School course or the time involved as I had to make a living first. I did spend a lot of time truck driving though and learned from other smiths whom I befriended in my travels both Canada and the US. These guys weren't making a living at it and some had time to show me a few things. Most of it was trial and error practicing on my own guns which I still have. I made my own jigs, spiders and what not because I couldn't afford every tool made and I also had the skill to make them.

The majority of work I get is the repair stuff, but mostly this is someones attempt at repairing I'm redoing or bubba's been here LOL
If it was actually a worn part or make a part, it's much easier than diagnosing a botched job especially when I have to figure out every old gun that comes to me. At some point I have to decide for the customer if it's worth their money and my time. I sometimes call some of the older retired smiths because they know me and understand exactly what I'm going through.
Not too often I actually get to build an entire rifle and that is the easy stuff. :)
Yes, that's right. A custom or blueprinting a Rem 700 action fitted to new barrel, bedded into a new stock is easy, but I live in an area that demands little of that.
These are also the days of DIY gunsmithing. They only come to me when their attempts fail.
That reminds me, I need to get a TIG welder. What a time saver it would be, but they are expensive.

Apprenticing? Look what I had to go through.
The time to teach someone? Sure, I charge by the hour.
Bring some old guns to practice on and we'll see what your capable of or not. Your first lesson is free of charge.
Good luck
 
There are several good books that would be worth getting. Most of them are older publications, and a bit dated. Synthetic stocks hadn't been invented yet, and you won't find any info on pillar bedding, but a lot of the information is still relevant.

The Modern Gunsmith James V. Howe, 2 volume set
Clyde Baker's Modern Gunsmithing
Gunsmithing, Roy F. Dunlap
Gunsmith Kinks
the Kunhausen Shop Manual series.

Woodworking specialist books:
Checkering & Carving of Gunstocks Monte Kennedy
Professional Stockmaking, David L. Wesbrook.
 
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