The registry is a fact of life too. We still whine about that and try to change it. Your logic is faulty.
Steel Sucks!
- Thread starter Jericho
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The registry is a fact of life too. We still whine about that and try to change it. Your logic is faulty.
If we as hunters would have all stood together when it was to become law,and refused to buy a magritory licence the law would have never seen the light of day.I finally gave in this year since the ban,and bought my first licence only because my 15yr old son wanted to hunt ducks.
Same as the regestry!If not one person would have regestered a gun what would have been done?NOTHING!
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So is the fact that there will always be new cartridges out there to compete against the .30-06.
So is the fact that there will always be new cartridges out there to compete against the .30-06.
Finally, someone gets it!
Sounds like you need to spend more time patterning your gun and shooting some skeet with your field loads and less time #####ing. I'm dropping Giant Canada's with 3" #2 Kent Fasteel on a regular basis out here. Find a load that works with your gun, practice wing shooting with the load and take your shots at an achievable range.
- Location
- Ft. Mac. Alberta
I wait untill they are inside 20 yards then shoot them with my 20 gauge, no problem as long as I shoot properly.
HOWEVER, yup, compared to the alternatives, steel sucks....
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HOWEVER, yup, compared to the alternatives, steel sucks....
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I've shot ducks since I was 10 'gravyboat'. I know what I'm talking about. I don't care if you stuff your mother into a shell and shoot her at your waterfowl. Lead is 150% better. Just wish there was something in Harper's election promises that would eliminate the 'steel only' BS law for areas in which it's useless.
Do you have the same logic toward our firearms ownership laws?
"Learn to live with it" wow, that's stickin' it the man!
A Lieberal in disguise perhaps?
Certainly glad this fellow isn't fighting for our firearms rights or hunting heritage!
Right on FRY.
People(sheep) like this is the reason these stupid laws get passed.Just follow along like sheep,and take whats commin.
Every time I try to stand up for something it seems I'm standing alone,then after the $hitty laws are passed the #####in starts,or they just bent over,and take it in thier a$$.Very sad indeed.
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- Saskatchewan
The year after the steel shot law was passed I did a LOT of goose hunting, mostly for snows. Shooting mostly over decoys, I took 243 geese that season. Besides supplying a lot of friends and family with goose meat, I found that good fast steel shot shells kill geese dead. Use shells that develop over 1500 FPS. Pattern your gun. Don't use too tight of a choke. Don't take "iffy" shots or blame your bad results on the steel shells, it's more likely your shooting is to blame. No question that lead shot kills better but so what? adapt your methods and it's no problem.
If I feel that I absolutely need to pass shoot at long range, I use Kent Tungsten Matrix for that task. The only difference between TM and a premium lead load is the cost.
If I feel that I absolutely need to pass shoot at long range, I use Kent Tungsten Matrix for that task. The only difference between TM and a premium lead load is the cost.
Not much of a waterfowler myself, but I've often wondered- Is the 2-3 shots you take with steel = to one shot of the Bismuth/TM etc shells in cost?
Liek, if you often have to use more than one round of steel, why not use the other $$ stuff and only use one shot?
Liek, if you often have to use more than one round of steel, why not use the other $$ stuff and only use one shot?
Simply put, the characteristics of steel make it a material by which to build. But with poor density qualities it has low performance as a projectile. That being said. I've found that if I hand roll 3.5" of #1 shot at break neck speed I can kill within the ranges RESPONSIBLE hunters used to with lead #4-5 2 3/4 mag
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- Back in the Peace Country
The cheaper of the steel options, penetrate late season like ####, unless you shoot BBB or similar and cross your fingers.
The head shots and neck shots go right through, the rest not so much.
What could be done with a 12$ box of lead now requires over a 20$ spend.
The effective range for steel sucks when compared to lead, that is fact.
But what can ya do.
If you are not getting cripples, then you are shooting at short range with good shells. I guess for steel, short range=the only range
Lead is better, it kills better i wil not take that away.
But I have gotten used to steel, and I do not mind it, I used to have many cripples with steel as well that drove my dogs nuts. I played with chokes and shot size and am now comfortable to 40 yards and a bit beyond with the stuff.
With steel speed kills! I shoot 1 1/8 #1s at 1625 fps with an open choke. I am happy with it. I like the speed of it and not having to pull 3 feet infront. I just swing through the bird and slap teh trigger on teh front end.
However!!!!!!!!!! No it does not kill like lead did, I dont think anyone can say it does. (but i am used to steel shooting now, and likely a better wing shot than 15 years ago)
But I have gotten used to steel, and I do not mind it, I used to have many cripples with steel as well that drove my dogs nuts. I played with chokes and shot size and am now comfortable to 40 yards and a bit beyond with the stuff.
With steel speed kills! I shoot 1 1/8 #1s at 1625 fps with an open choke. I am happy with it. I like the speed of it and not having to pull 3 feet infront. I just swing through the bird and slap teh trigger on teh front end.
However!!!!!!!!!! No it does not kill like lead did, I dont think anyone can say it does. (but i am used to steel shooting now, and likely a better wing shot than 15 years ago)
Well I've also shot ducks since I was 10 so don't try to pull that "I've shot more ducks than you BS". Lead is done old timer, non-toxic shot is here to stay. It's not Liebral bans as some of the tinfoil hat wearers would like to put it, it's in the migratory bird treaty. It has to be that way, unless of course you are more than happy to let the bird populations get run so low that we don't have hunting anymore. If you've never seen a duck dying from lead poisoning than you've never spent much time in the marsh. Maybe you should join an organization like Delta or DU and get a little better informed.
For those out there having problems with steel look into taking a steel shot course at your local gun club. After I learned the effective ranges and leads for steel my shooting improved immensely. The problem with steel is that hunters continue to try to hunt as if they were shooting lead, and you can't. Skybusting is a thing of the past, steel just doesn't retain the energy well out past 35 -40 yds. It is also a lot faster so your leads are a lot shorter. Once you get on to steel, you'll find that it kills just as effectively. I've never hunted sea ducks so I don't know what kind of ranges you shoot. Maybe lead would be better in this situation but but you can't always guarantee deep water shooting. A lot of salt water shooting still occurs in tidal marshes where lead contamination can be an issue. Those are my ramblings anyways. Cheers.
The point that I hear a lot of people making is that you can't load up steel and shoot just like you always did with lead. There is a learning curve, it does behave differently, and there is a larger margin for error. Would most of us prefer to shoot lead if we had the choice? Probably.
Didn't I say from the beginning to shoot under 30 yards with steel but I'm still interested in this shaking theory of yours or should I just add it to the list?
If you want to shoot further, use tungsten or bismuth.
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Ah cool, the name calling begins. As with registration, if we want to keep hunting rather than crying in our soup, we have to jump through a few hoops. I don't like it and I'll fight it but I'll also do everything I can to keep enjoying hunting and if that means learning to shoot steel effectively, I'll do it. I could take your approach and cry and stomp my feet and whine about the good old days and quit hunting birds or worse yet, shoot and cripple them because I'm too proud to admit there is something to learn but truthfully, I think I'll keep hunting and killing humanely thank you very much!
Your logic is as full of holes as the last goose I shot with steel!
