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tiriaq

Which others were cut up, and by who ?

Why did he withdraw his challenge ? Where you at the courthouse ?

AFAIK ######## have so far had five guns approved by the CFC, not bad considering the time they have been in business.

You seem to be an expert in dealing with the CFC and getting previously prohibited only guns approved for sale. How many of your guns have been inspected and approved as restricted or non restricted by the CFC ?
 
Tyler said:
Exactly....

If I could ever get a FAL or a BREN because of this, then that would be truly amazing.
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better yet, even if the would not allow us FA guns , this still opens up possibilities for owning "rewelded receiver" semi auto's. These are quite popular down south, and open up doors to new guns we can own! Brens, BARs, DSHK's, etc!
 
czechitout said:
tiriaq

Which others were cut up, and by who ?

Why did he withdraw his challenge ? Where you at the courthouse ?

AFAIK ######## have so far had five guns approved by the CFC, not bad considering the time they have been in business.

You seem to be an expert in dealing with the CFC and getting previously prohibited only guns approved for sale. How many of your guns have been inspected and approved as restricted or non restricted by the CFC ?
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Hi, Spencer. Welcome back.;)
 
tiriaq said:
Hi, Spencer. Welcome back.;)
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You asked me if I was Spencer some time ago and I told you No. I was not Spencer then and I am not Spencer now.

As you want to avoid answering the questions I will truthfully answer them for you.



"Which others were cut up, and by who ?" Your answer.... I don't know

"Why did he withdraw his challenge ? Where you at the courthouse ?" Your answers... I don't know and No


"You seem to be an expert in dealing with the CFC and getting previously prohibited only guns approved for sale. How many of your guns have been inspected and approved as restricted or non restricted by the CFC". Your answer.... None, I have never done anything worthwhile or constructive in my life.
 
He's or someone is selling one on Gun broker as we speak
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http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=146458578#PIC
 
I owe Spencer an apology.
He has communicated with me by PM.
Spencer did not cut any prohibited firearms. For example, he took his outstanding Suomi reproduction apart, so that he could reuse the parts.
Further, the RCMP did not invite him to submit a revised sample at the time that his firearms were prohibited. The offer to re-evaluate his revised version was made whan he withdrew his court challenge.
Further, he has explained why he withdrew his court challenge. The RCMP used a "carrot and stick" approach, and in the event that the court ruled against him, the stick was a very large one. It would have had a very negative effect not only on Spencer, but on a number of other individuals and businesses. It was a risk that Spencer was wise not to take.
 
Not to side step this whole thing, but what part of a Sten constitutes the gun these days? If I do a build using sten parts which part would actually make it a sten?
 
Dosing said:
Not to side step this whole thing, but what part of a Sten constitutes the gun these days? If I do a build using sten parts which part would actually make it a sten?
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I do believe that the magwell is the receiver on the Sten, that seems to be the latest ruling from the RCMP.
 
I do believe that the magwell is the receiver on the Sten, that seems to be the latest ruling from the RCMP.
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And the RCMP has their heads firmly up their asses on this. I have a MK2 Sten that has a secondary serial number stamped into the trigger guard. The gun is registered by that number and not the original number stamped on the removable mag well.

The stupidity of making a removable part the "registerable" part when the gun can fire without that part is mind numbing. And they call themselves "firearms experts". :(
 
Wow, just wow. So what if I get all the other parts, and build a new mag well that takes Browning High Power mags, is it still a sten?
 
Dosing said:
Wow, just wow. So what if I get all the other parts, and build a new mag well that takes Browning High Power mags, is it still a sten?
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I can't remember what distinguishes a "semi auto sten" for example (well any of these semi auto versions of ww2 guns) from being a variant of a prohibited firearm, but i think it is the NEW receiver. Just as the TNW34 is not a variant of the mg34, merely a gun that "looks a lot like it". So if you used all the other parts, with a new mag well of your choosing, then it only makes sense that the receiver is not that of a sten, and is an entirely new gun.

This is just the crude interpretation the CFC gave me, i don't know the details of it, or the technicalities.

Anyone else care to chime in, i'm sure i've made some error in that explanation, and i do not wish to mislead anybody!
 
ONLY firearms prohibited by NAME IE ak47 and all variants

are prohibited as variants

the sten is/was prohibited as at the time there were ONLY FA or CA auto models


the bren same thing


and many other guns could legally have semiauto only copies built and not be prohib

the BIG problems is parts we cannot legally import parts for prohibited firearms......

best way I would guess is to have a FA/CA guns reciever destroyed save all the parts (except the reciever) then make a new one as a semiauto ONLY reciever and internals parts assemble and send it to rcmp and get it approved
 
Don't forget about the export nightmare from whatever country you intend to source your parts from ...

In other words, it'd be a hellovalot more expensive, but likely MUCH simpler to manufacture your semi-auto copy over here entirely.

contact148 said:
ONLY firearms prohibited by NAME IE ak47 and all variants

are prohibited as variants

the sten is/was prohibited as at the time there were ONLY FA or CA auto models


the bren same thing


and many other guns could legally have semiauto only copies built and not be prohib

the BIG problems is parts we cannot legally import parts for prohibited firearms......

best way I would guess is to have a FA/CA guns reciever destroyed save all the parts (except the reciever) then make a new one as a semiauto ONLY reciever and internals parts assemble and send it to rcmp and get it approved
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Im 100% aware of the export problems

but with the inability of us to legally IMPORT export is a mute point.....


which is why sourceing parts in canada may be the ONLY option.....

and which is why IM not attempting any builds
 
contact148 said:
the BIG problems is parts we cannot legally import parts for prohibited firearms......

best way I would guess is to have a FA/CA guns reciever destroyed save all the parts (except the reciever) then make a new one as a semiauto ONLY reciever and internals parts assemble and send it to rcmp and get it approved
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I was talking to the owner of Dlask during build discussions at his office, and the topic of importing MG parts from europe, regarding the construction of some SA MG's happen to come up. He did not mention an Importation issue with getting MG parts into canada, but he did note that exportation "difficulties" would vary depending on where we got them.

Anyone able to point this out "in writing" ? I don't mean any offence, just curious, perhaps he and i were not on the same page :confused:.
 
MJ

the problem with importing MG parts is that importing parts for use exclusively in a prohibited weapon...... is a criminal offence

NOW one would then assume that with this sten approved sten parts would NOW NOT be exclusively for use in a prohibited weapon (and if that was the case you would be ok to import them IF you could legally EXPORT them from another country (not likely usa would approve permits)

so if the above were true then if somebody got another type of gun approved that was befroe prohib because of FA/ca then those parts should also be ok to import If you could find a legally export from somewhere

Now as we all know the gov dose not make sense in most cases. my above post is MY GUESS and id suggest calling RCMP weapons people and the CGD people BEFORE attempting any imports
 
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