Sterling Arms International R18 Mk3 Part 1 Review - Specifications and Initial Impressions
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Without actually having a complete functional firearm available and you are trying to equate it to Colt USA, DD and BCM, that is hilarious.
You are in no position to spout off about apologizing and licking our wounds when you make a rage post at every single user who called out your history of blatant shilling then declaring you are putting them on ignore.
As I stated before you had your best friend delete all the other threads, you are both morally bankrupt and just a pack of rats/shills who are only here to exploit the community for your financial gains at any cost.
JR Cox's actions are not mistakes and were all intentionally made decisions knowing full well the consequences they would bring.
As long as you are in business with JR Cox his "community poison" will continue to follow him everywhere he goes.
I am glad to hear that you liked it, given your experienced judgment. As I have said elsewhere, when actually held and examined the R18 Mk3 gives me the impression of a proper defence product rather than some half-baked machine shop project. It is going to be a serious contender provided it is reliable, sufficiently accurate and durable. The live-fire testing will tell the tale, but the basic rifle is pretty impressive all by itself.
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I personally was looking at the rifles at Taccom. I asked specifically who did the design, I was told "Sterling did". I specifically asked who makes the receiver - I was told "we do", I specifically asked who makes handguard - I was told "we do". I specifically asked "so you make the rifle, it is your rifle and you buy some parts like butstock and handgrip and trigger pack" - I was told "yes". "We design this, we made this, out design and approach is to.. .this and that".
It was all a lie, straight in my face. Not a single statement, like a 10 minute conversation can be trusted. It is all BS, all of it. AKDAS makes everything and trigger tech is dropped in. AKDAS had the rifle done, Sterling found out they can brand it and fit it into their existing FRT. Nothing more, nothing else. It is as Canadian as all the plastic junk in Canadian Tire.
Just like all this BS about the barrel on the 9mm version. I stood in a confusion listening about "oh we drill the barrel to make an extension to fit ar15 brush and this is also a compensator blah blah, we like mp5 mags so much they are so much better then a glock mag...". And made no sense at all. Well because it was BS from the start to the end. AKDAS had submachine in 9mm with mp5 magazines, because it is made to be a select fire sub-gun with mp5 standard mags, it is short barrel semi auto blow back gun with all the automatics tuned to that. Sterling came in and said we need non restricted barrel, the automatics stopped working because dwell time to the end of the long barrel is too much, so they needed to release gas from the long barrel faster or redo weight of the bolt and springs. Too expensive. Lets just make up a story about our innovative barrel for 9mm like we are B&T and do gucci guns with fancy barrels, so we can have an excuse to cut gas relieve and call it a compensator.
I don't care about why, how, who misspoke when who misunderstood what. It was intentional misrepresentation and open lying. I hope AKDAS makes a good gun, good for them. I'm buying nothing from a company I don't trust.
I agree with this, after seeing the AKDAS offerings, but I also really want the rifle to work. In the end they can say whatever marketing gimmicks they want, we want reviews with thousands of rounds from more than one person on CGN. Imo if they are so confident in their design they should be sending a few out to youtubers.
The rifle really is just the AKDAS Sem-223, with a cutout in the left of receiver for the charging handle. To be fair, this may be a political move? There is reason to believe they are stating to the RCMP and public this is their design, and technically with some minor changes it is, and its up to the RCMP to determine it has close lineage with the mk2. If thats the case, im fine with that if it brings a functional black rifle to the Canadian market.
I too have been branded by Bartok5 as a hater to be ignored for pointing out the blatant conflict of interest in this review, yet I have always said and maintain that the rifle is on the short list as my next purchase. Oh well. I have no beef with the man, or the rifle, and hope it works out, but the thin skin of those involved is a real turn off.
I trust the Turkish parts over the Canadian ones TBH.
I trust the Turkish parts over the Canadian ones TBH.
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Your hate is palpable Grove. I don't know or care what your personality deficit arises from, it is both unnecessarily hostile and unwarranted. In other words, you are acting like an arsehole of the highest order. I asked people not to bring their personal issues with JR Cox into my review thread, but just like a bad smell (and just as predictably), here you are. And with some special regard for me as well. Typically, you are wrong on several counts.
I can quite competently, directly compare the fit , finish and quality of construction of one firearm that I have on-hand, with others in my collection. When I say that the R18 Mk3 is the equal of any major mid-upper tier AR that I own such as Colt USA or Daniel Defence it is because it simply is. I have no reason to lie, as customers will be able to see for themselves in just a few months' time. You are going to look and sound both petty and stupid when the Mk3 hits the market, I must say.
I have every right to place cretins that pollute my thread with their irrational, decades-old rage on ignore, just as I am going to do to you. It is my viewing and posting experience, not yours, and if I no longer wish to see your written diarrhea I won't. So wrong again.
You call it shilling, I call it being the first to examine and share an exciting and new NR firearms design on the Canadian market with my fellow enthusiasts. I suspect if we took a poll, people would much rather read my review than your infantile ranting, so there's that.
Oh, and I never got anyone to take down anything. I don't know why you think that I have some sort of magical thread-deleting powers, but here's a newsflash for you - I don't. I suggest that you consider other reasons why those threads concerning JR Cox's business interests were shut down, as it had nothing whatsoever to do with me. Wrong again Grove.
And finally you state that "as long as I am in business with JR Cox...". Well, I am not, nor have I ever been in business with James Cox. As I have repeatedly stated, he is simply an old friend that I soldiered with decades ago. I did the review as a favour to him and because I enjoy early access to the next great product to hit the Canadian market. So, wrong again, Grove.
Seriously - JR Cox is doing the entire Community a "solid" by bringing the Mk3 to market in the current political climate at tremendous personal risk and all some of you can do is crap on him and his project. That says far more about you than it does JR Cox, that's a fact. It's not a good look for you, Grove. You come across like a petulant teenager with serious anger issues for no good reason. Grow the fvck up, why don't you?
Oh, and stay out of my thread if you have zero constructive to add. I know it's hard to look away from such an interesting firearm, but you are no longer welcome here. Do us all a favour and just go away.
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I cannot speak to what you were or weren't told at TACCOM, as I wasn't there. You are incorrect however, regarding the origins of the R18 Mk3. The design originated with JR Cox and the Canadian SAI team. AKDAS had never designed nor constructed a rifle until they partnered with SAI for selected component production. They developed the top-charging "SAM" based on minor revison to the R18 Mk3, not the other way around.
AKDAS did design the majority of the R9 PCC, and nobody is disputing that. You are correct that ADKAS had most of that design together before SAI partnered with them. SAI apparently assisted AKDAS in finalizing the SMG/PCC design. They went with durable steel MP5 mags based on the advice of the ADKAS engineers. I am not at all sure what you are saying about the PCC Barrels and "automatics" not working based on dwell time(?!?) in a blow-back operating system, so I cannot address that aspect of your post. I've never heard such an explanation before, seeing as "dwell time" has nothing to do with blow-back systems and everything to do with the length of time that gas pressure is maintained in a gas-operated system (eg. after the bullet passes the Gas Port and before it reaches the end of the Barrel).
As for mispeaking, misquoting and working from memory, there is always scope for misunderstanding on both sides of a conversation. That doesn't necessarily imply shenanigans on the part of the company introducing a new firearm to market. I wasn't there, so it is not my place to say who said what. The above simply reflects my understanding of the design origins for both the R18 and the R9. You can of course, choose to believe whatever you like.
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Looking forward to when the actual rifle arrives to replaces passive aggression and hyping up a wall hanger.
Sometimes I forget what hobby this website is dedicated to. Certainly doesn’t seem to be firearms.
For sure I'd be interested in shooting the rifle, not that I'd expect anything untoward or seriously weird.
Yes, I'd agree that it feels and looks considerably higher quality than the WK180 we owned for a period of time. Our WK was clearly assembled by monkeys, as most of the fasteners were loose. My biggest ##### with the WK180 was the heavy barrel, which really put a lot of weight out front. Add a light, a bipod, a front grip etc and the thing was seriously front heavy. It was best fired off a rest or a bipod, due to the front biased weight balance.
The WK came stock with a crap MILspec trigger, where the SAI MK3 comes with a much better trigger. I know lots of guys are fine w a Milspec trigger but honestly they are crap.
You know that farming out production of an in-house designed product or components of a product is super common? If we demanded that any product must have 100% of its parts built by the company that designed it, we'd have a lot less consumer products and pretty much nothing would be made by the people who designed it.
This is the world we live in.
I don't have a dog in the fight and I honestly do not care one bit.
AKDAS never constructed a rifle, hm, is that so?
https://www.akdassilah.com/urunler/hunting-rifle/semi-auto-hunting-rifle/alcor-223/
A company, which PRODUCES firearms since 1948. With actual inhouse production
So clueless, could not make it... oh wait, but they say they did:
SA went around, found a good cheap reliable subcontractor. Tweaked their working design for our local legalities and present it as they own unique improved MK2. It has nothing to do with MK2.
"We completely redesigned our gas system as well as the carrier" (took 3rd party complete design)
"they (trigger tech) are Canadian company, we don't need to support anyboby else" (except everything else on a rifle is made by other people)
"if you buy first world nation gun you expect parts to be first world nation"
Who would have guessed eh?
Thanks for reposting every video produced on the R18 and ADKAS SAM to date. I'm still not seeing your point, however. Of course AKDAS is going to refer to the design as "theirs", as in a sense it is - developed in partnership with SAI. Just because ADKAS doesn't mention the partnership, it obviously exists - the pre-production rifles are proof enough of that. Nobody in business is going to disclose everything to the public, as at the end of the day? The public has zero "right" nor need to know the behind the scenes details, regardless of how entitled they may think they are.
The hunting rifle is news to me, but for all we know it may not even be in production... just as the ADKAS SAM is not yet in production.
The hunting rifle is news to me, but for all we know it may not even be in production... just as the ADKAS SAM is not yet in production.
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Well if you believe that SA designed the rifle, holds rights to it or at least partner but is only concerned about insanely huge Canadian market itself, and just lets AKDAS go alone and market the same rifle for US market (marginal pathetic side story, I know) without SA in sight, well, I guess there is nothing I can possibly argue.
