Sterling Arms TR

[alberta tactical rifle]

It has no FRT of its own. It is a copy of the modern sporter which was not part of the OIC but that the RCMP decided to change to prohibited. So if you get pulled over it will be considered a prohibited firearm by the police. This is currently being fought in court.

That pretty much sums it up. And yes we are fighting a very expensive legal battle over the unlawful changes to our FRT's.
Any help with the fight is greatly appreciated. Donations can be sent to legal@albertatacticalrifle.com answer to security question is lpcisevil

 

[rommelrommel]

I don't remember the printed source, but I believe it was Murray Smith that said the ATRS MS was a AR10 variant in his affidavit. I'm not sure where he'd come up with something like this, the MS is most definitely not an AR-10 variant and more than it's an AR-15 variant.

I think it was the only explanation he could come up with that didn’t completely contradict the previous classification. The AR10 was not prohibited by name previously, so there was a little tiny bit of daylight for him to claim he always thought the MS, MV, MH were AR10 variants and when the AR10 was banned by name it also hit the ATRS rifles.

 

[r34skyline]

That pretty much sums it up. And yes we are fighting a very expensive legal battle over the unlawful changes to our FRT's.
Any help with the fight is greatly appreciated. Donations can be sent to legal@albertatacticalrifle.com answer to security question is lpcisevil

Are you willing to license the MS for other canadian manufacturers to make licensed MS receivers to continue to flood the market?

 

[no-one special]

Are you willing to license the MS for other canadian manufacturers to make licensed MS receivers to continue to flood the market?

The Sterling Arms copy was NOT licensed, merely ripped off by the owner of TSE. Pretty greasy in my opinion. But then again what can you expect from the guy who purposefully opened the Swiss Arms rifle debacle in order to hurt a competitor?
Being as the FRT was unlawfully changed from NR to Prohib there is no flood of sales which is why ATRS is suing the government and several SFSS and CFO employees.
I would expect if the CFO had not threatened Rick and staff with jail they would still be producing and selling their entire Modern line of semi auto's. So licensing what has been deemed a prohibited firearm although unlawfully deemed as such would make zero sense.

According to JR at TSE they only made a few hundred and also ceased manufacturing, but who really knows?

 

[STEELCITYSLICKER]

So if it is not banned by name in the OIC and is not banned by name in the FRT by virtue of not having an entry, it occupies a weird grey area.

Our friends went to painstaking lengths to ban firearms by specific name. The SAI TR or whatever it's called is not named.


It is going to take someone getting caught with one for a true determination (legal) to be made.

 

[PinaKaleada]

Curious, I heard sterling TR uppers can fit into the ATRS MS lower, but heard that Sterling TR lowers dont accept ATRS uppers.. Can someone confirm? Asking for a friend.

 

[Bratwurst]

The Sterling Arms copy was NOT licensed, merely ripped off by the owner of TSE. Pretty greasy in my opinion. But then again what can you expect from the guy who purposefully opened the Swiss Arms rifle debacle in order to hurt a competitor?
Being as the FRT was unlawfully changed from NR to Prohib there is no flood of sales which is why ATRS is suing the government and several SFSS and CFO employees.
I would expect if the CFO had not threatened Rick and staff with jail they would still be producing and selling their entire Modern line of semi auto's. So licensing what has been deemed a prohibited firearm although unlawfully deemed as such would make zero sense.

According to JR at TSE they only made a few hundred and also ceased manufacturing, but who really knows?

If you read his statement he says both sides knew and were ok with it.

Before defaming someone you should provide evidence.

Edit: As per the ATRS post I was clearly wrong and I apologise for this.

 

[Taurkon]

The Sterling Arms copy was NOT licensed, merely ripped off by the owner of TSE. Pretty greasy in my opinion.

Well, your opinion is based on ignorance and that pretty much invalidates it. Do everyone a favor and keep your uninformed opinions to yourself at a time when our community doesn't need anymore divisiveness.

 

[alberta tactical rifle]

If you read his statement he says both sides knew and were ok with it.

Before defaming someone you should provide evidence.

What evidence are you looking for?

There was a brief phone call from JR asking about licensing and I declined the offer. Then magically within a few weeks the SAI receiver sets were for sale.

The post by No-one is quite accurate. And for the record I am NOT ok with what was done.

 

[Bratwurst]

What evidence are you looking for?

There was a brief phone call from JR asking about licensing and I declined the offer. Then magically within a few weeks the SAI receiver sets were for sale.

The post by No-one is quite accurate. And for the record I am NOT ok with what was done.

I was clearly wrong. I apologise, I had a distinct memory of posts stating that all was well. Manifestly my memory is wrong.

The incorrect evidence I was referring to was the original TSE release post of the receivers/firearms where I believed it was mentioned that it was ok.

 

[r34skyline]

Well, your opinion is based on ignorance and that pretty much invalidates it. Do everyone a favor and keep your uninformed opinions to yourself at a time when our community doesn't need anymore divisiveness.

Oof that crow must not taste so good about now.

What evidence are you looking for?

There was a brief phone call from JR asking about licensing and I declined the offer. Then magically within a few weeks the SAI receiver sets were for sale.

The post by No-one is quite accurate. And for the record I am NOT ok with what was done.

I'll help out with what little I can ATRS unfortunately it's not a lot.

I was clearly wrong. I apologise, I had a distinct memory of posts stating that all was well. Manifestly my memory is wrong.

The incorrect evidence I was referring to was the original TSE release post of the receivers/firearms where I believed it was mentioned that it was ok.

Your memory isn't wrong, it's what TSE JR wrote. Turns out that was a lie. Not surprising seeing that's the person that started this debacle with the swiss and the cz858s.

 

[alberta tactical rifle]

Oof that crow must not taste so good about now.



I'll help out with what little I can ATRS unfortunately it's not a lot.



Your memory isn't wrong, it's what TSE JR wrote. Turns out that was a lie. Not surprising seeing that's the person that started this debacle with the swiss and the cz858s.

I am not sure I would label it a lie, but certainly some of the facts were blurred.

 

[scourge18a]

Curious, I heard sterling TR uppers can fit into the ATRS MS lower, but heard that Sterling TR lowers dont accept ATRS uppers.. Can someone confirm? Asking for a friend.

I asked a friend and he thought they would be interchangeable but there a a few dimensional differences. He has an Adaptable Triggertech in the SAI but didn't need the KNS pin as the SAI upper rear hook is a bit smaller than the ATRS, but I believe ATRS later made adjustments to fit the TT. There is less cutout on the SAI upper for the bolt catch so he used a Knockoff BAD lever to grind up to fit. I don't think he's going to change stuff around to see if they interchange, but who knows.
There also looks to be more meat on the ATRS buffer tube threads, I think that was an issue early on with the fitment of some rifle length stocks. I'd say ATRS spent a bit more time smoothing edges but both are well machined and anodized.

Edit
He sent some pics, looks like maybe the SAI has slightly thicker walls so maybe that makes a difference in interchangeability?

 

[no-one special]

I asked a friend and he thought they would be interchangeable but there a a few dimensional differences. He has an Adaptable Triggertech in the SAI but didn't need the KNS pin as the SAI upper rear hook is a bit smaller than the ATRS, but I believe ATRS later made adjustments to fit the TT. There is less cutout on the SAI upper for the bolt catch so he used a Knockoff BAD lever to grind up to fit. I don't think he's going to change stuff around to see if they interchange, but who knows.
There also looks to be more meat on the ATRS buffer tube threads, I think that was an issue early on with the fitment of some rifle length stocks. I'd say ATRS spent a bit more time smoothing edges but both are well machined and anodized.

Edit
He sent some pics, looks like maybe the SAI has slightly thicker walls so maybe that makes a difference in interchangeability?
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Photo 4 is certainly a dead give away as to who made which lower. The ATRS mag well is wire EDM'ed the other is drilled and milled.

 

[no-one special]

Well, your opinion is based on ignorance and that pretty much invalidates it. Do everyone a favor and keep your uninformed opinions to yourself at a time when our community doesn't need anymore divisiveness.

The community also does not need rude and ignorant posts such as yours. Apologies accepted.

 

[CP 5.3]

Anyone wanting to have a TR should donate to ATRS. I'll donate again once I get paid. Thank you everyone at ATRS!

 

[Taurkon]

The community also does not need rude and ignorant posts such as yours. Apologies accepted.

https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/2019962-The-Sterling-Arms-TR-Intro-Well-hello-world-and-DONE?p=17073277&viewfull=1#post17073277

"No, this is not a "licensed" copy. I spoke with Rick at ATRS to see if he would license it to me.... long story short, he wasnʻt interested and even stated that the design was in the public domain, so anyone was free to copy it.... I tried to give him money... honest...

Basically, we have a Sterling model in with the RCMP that should for all intents and purposes be non-resticted, but itʻs been in for about 18 months. When the talk of a ban started, we switched gears to get, what we hoped was something out to market asap.... we misjudged obviously.

yes, weʻve also heard about the ATRS Sporter being deemed prohibit today internally with the RCMP, but nothing has been "published" yet. On the FRT I can see through the dealer portal, it is still non-restricted. In order to ensure we are on the "list" we felt we had to get this out in the public domain today... basically proof of commercialization and retail.

We donʻt expect to sell many, if any, but Trudope and Billy the Bully Blair cannot avoid paying us our pound of flesh now... If we lose our court challenge...

JR"

There is another thread where Rick acknowledges this statement to be true. My point is that JR was not 'greasy' as you decided to point out, and that is all. I have a lot of respect for Rick and ATRS; I have a few of their MS rifles and have been and will continue to donate to their legal fund. I also have a Sterling TSR because I could no longer buy one from Alberta Tactical. I stand by my statement that your opinion was based on ignorance and your language is divisive.

 

[PinaKaleada]

I asked a friend and he thought they would be interchangeable but there a a few dimensional differences. He has an Adaptable Triggertech in the SAI but didn't need the KNS pin as the SAI upper rear hook is a bit smaller than the ATRS, but I believe ATRS later made adjustments to fit the TT. There is less cutout on the SAI upper for the bolt catch so he used a Knockoff BAD lever to grind up to fit. I don't think he's going to change stuff around to see if they interchange, but who knows.
There also looks to be more meat on the ATRS buffer tube threads, I think that was an issue early on with the fitment of some rifle length stocks. I'd say ATRS spent a bit more time smoothing edges but both are well machined and anodized.

Edit
He sent some pics, looks like maybe the SAI has slightly thicker walls so maybe that makes a difference in interchangeability?

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Interesting.. I wonder if it fits the other way around.? ATRS upper with Sterling lower...

 

[Skoal32]

Are both the Sterling and the ATRS milspec or are they commercial? Is there a way either company can continue to produce and sell to the US market, or try ans beat out Colt Canada bids to police and the CF?

 

[alberta tactical rifle]

Are both the Sterling and the ATRS milspec or are they commercial? Is there a way either company can continue to produce and sell to the US market, or try ans beat out Colt Canada bids to police and the CF?

Being as neither have been submitted to any military, I would say no. Then again what exactly IS milspec apart from being able to pass the lowest specifications set by a military group. I can't speak for SAI but our products grossly exceed many "milspec" advertised AR receiver sets in dimensional spec's kept to and materials used.
IF you are referring to the buffer tube, the lowers will accept either as the threads are the same.

The US BATFE will not allow the import of "weapons of war" which is what our rifles have been deemed to be despite none of our Modern line of semi autos never being used in a war nor were they intended for such use. They are "Sporting" rifles.

Colt Canada has a complete strangle on the LE and military market in Canada. We have tried to break into their market insofar as LE goes but the bureaucracy always favours
the big guys.