Stop the RCMP!
- Thread starter TSE JR
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- Southern Ontario
It depends on what the intent of your call was about to begin with, which department or individual you speak to, and the tack you take when you speak with them.
Agreed, that CERTAIN issues you shouldn't even call or talk to them about, as it only raises alarm bells unnecessarily, when you should have instead first thought to yourself "what possible good could come out of asking them this?" Unfortunately this prior thought process doesn't occur to enough people.
However, it is not impossible to have a productive discussion with them on other, less volatile issues, and sometimes IS worth the call. You have to educate yourself first about the subject of what you're asking them about and consider the implications of speaking with them about it. Sadly, you have to take that into account, because it will likely go on record. Again it depends on what the purpose of your call would be. If you're simply looking for basic technical advice on something, and you KNOW you're in the right, and it doesn't involve a hot political topic, you should have nothing to worry about.
That's a case where you CAN and should have success talking to them.
I won't go into details, and nothing related to this thread's topic, but quite a while ago I had researched the regs about an item of mine, and wanted their second opinion of my interpretation of how it was classified. The fellow I spoke with agreed with my take on it, backed me up 100% and told me I was correct, which gave me ammo, so to speak, in successfully dealing with another department.
Granted my issue was a much more benign one, and simpler to see the logic of what was right, but I'm just suggesting not to paint in too broad brushstrokes impressions of them that will limit your ability to get anywhere with them. I can't speak for everyone employed there, but some of them there are quite approachable and level-headed, AND at least to me were quite helpful. I know, hard to believe, eh?
Just sayin'. There are some good people that work there. Maybe it was just my lucky week. ;-)
My post was not directed at you. I apologize if you thought it was.
My post WAS directed at the people who have put forward no fewer than four different conspiracy theories to explain one of the least problematic changes in years.
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My post WAS directed at the people who have put forward no fewer than four different conspiracy theories to explain one of the least problematic changes in years.
FF
We have enough genuine issues to address that engaging in a letter-writing campaign for something innocuous and unfounded makes us look like idiots.
Imagine if you were in the customer service department of a major company. One day, you get 300 letters/emails in response to speculation that started on the Internet. Would you take those people seriously? Now kick it up a notch: speculation has gotten to a senior vice-president of the company who has the PR department issue a press release denying the rumor. How much credibility does this group of people now hold?
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Imagine if you were in the customer service department of a major company. One day, you get 300 letters/emails in response to speculation that started on the Internet. Would you take those people seriously? Now kick it up a notch: speculation has gotten to a senior vice-president of the company who has the PR department issue a press release denying the rumor. How much credibility does this group of people now hold?
FF
is there any evidence this actually happened? Let's assume that it did. What was the context?
Let's assume they are referring to Beowulf magazines. Considering it is not easy to find a .50 Beowulf rifle anywhere in this country, it is far more likely that they are going to deem .50 Beowulf as not commonly available in Canada and thus prohibited devices.
Or maybe they are lobbying parliamentarians on their own which, like every govt agency, they do. This year's push on the lobbying front may be magazines.
Speculating on their motives may be helpful but going off half cocked is not.
FF
Let's assume they are referring to Beowulf magazines. Considering it is not easy to find a .50 Beowulf rifle anywhere in this country, it is far more likely that they are going to deem .50 Beowulf as not commonly available in Canada and thus prohibited devices.
Or maybe they are lobbying parliamentarians on their own which, like every govt agency, they do. This year's push on the lobbying front may be magazines.
Speculating on their motives may be helpful but going off half cocked is not.
FF
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The agency I work for has a single staff lawyer and 5 senior administrators and they aren't dumb.
The RCMP has dozens of lawyers, experienced LEOs and a team of civilian firearms techs. Given that they also have access to data on restricted transfers, firearms business licenses, and firearms/accessory imports, they probably have a fair idea on how many mags and guns are in the country right now. They are smart and well-informed.
You think for a second that they're so lazy and inept that they scour CGN for ideas? You think they're going to say, "Fyrefighter just gave us a great idea! Let's all go for a three-martini lunch!"?
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The RCMP has dozens of lawyers, experienced LEOs and a team of civilian firearms techs. Given that they also have access to data on restricted transfers, firearms business licenses, and firearms/accessory imports, they probably have a fair idea on how many mags and guns are in the country right now. They are smart and well-informed.
You think for a second that they're so lazy and inept that they scour CGN for ideas? You think they're going to say, "Fyrefighter just gave us a great idea! Let's all go for a three-martini lunch!"?
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- Southern Ontario
Has anyone even thought to ask Murray Smith exactly what he meant by that 'Alleged/overheard comment?'
Lots of Allegations, Theory's and Speculation going on here.
Mauser GDog
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You seem very confident in your opinions, but that doesn't make them facts.
There is absolutely no harm in bombarding Blaney's office, or any other office with our concerns, regardless of what rumour prompts it. If it's a false alarm, great. But in the meantime we are reminding them that we are paying attention. Why would we give the RCMP the benefit of the doubt for even a second? They are not on our side here.
If you don't agree with what others here are doing, or think there is nothing to worry about, that's fine. But why come in here and argue about it?
That's a 3-5 year wait if their trend holds, requiring an Access to Information request that is denied in every aspect. Great plan.
The public cant email him directly?
It looks like there are Several examples on nfa.ca of him replying directly to email inquiries.
Here is his email and Office Number, took me 15 seconds to find.
Murray A. Smith
Manager,
Specialized Firearms Support Services
Email: Murray.A.Smith@rcmp-grc.gc.ca
Office: (613) 993-0139
So I just spoke to the guy. He was pretty straightforward:
He admits that he made the comment, but says it was taken out of context. His words were essentially that the RCMP enforces the regulations as made by the Minister of Public Safety and he referred me to Blaney's office for any pending changes. He said that they deal with magazines in a regulatory and law enforcement capacity every day. He would not comment on whether the RCMP has any initiatives regarding changes to the regulations, but he reiterated that the government sets the regulations.
Straight from the proverbial horse's mouth. But that's far less exciting than Swiss Arms II.
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He admits that he made the comment, but says it was taken out of context. His words were essentially that the RCMP enforces the regulations as made by the Minister of Public Safety and he referred me to Blaney's office for any pending changes. He said that they deal with magazines in a regulatory and law enforcement capacity every day. He would not comment on whether the RCMP has any initiatives regarding changes to the regulations, but he reiterated that the government sets the regulations.
Straight from the proverbial horse's mouth. But that's far less exciting than Swiss Arms II.
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- glaslyn saskatchewan
As much as this might be a joke to some of us, we still live in a democratic society, country, and everything related to guns and gun control is politics, pure and simple.
If you think for a minute that someone involved in the political system in this country is able to ignore email, mail, and telephone bombardment from we, the voting public, without some sort of ramifications at some point down the line is missing the whole point of 'democracy'. Solidarity isn't just farting in the wind, it actually works, and you don't even have to worry about midnight death squads showing up for you and your family should you decide to participate in it. At least so far...
If you think for a minute that someone involved in the political system in this country is able to ignore email, mail, and telephone bombardment from we, the voting public, without some sort of ramifications at some point down the line is missing the whole point of 'democracy'. Solidarity isn't just farting in the wind, it actually works, and you don't even have to worry about midnight death squads showing up for you and your family should you decide to participate in it. At least so far...
