Ammunition is ammunition, whether it's in a box, metal can, plastic bag, rolled up in paper, pooped on, upside down or in a magazine.
And if you're storing ammunition WITH the firearm, THE CONTAINER IT IS IN NEEDS TO BE LOCKED.
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Ammunition is ammunition, whether it's in a box, metal can, plastic bag, rolled up in paper, pooped on, upside down or in a magazine.
And if you're storing ammunition WITH the firearm, THE CONTAINER IT IS IN NEEDS TO BE LOCKED.
True, but S1de8urnz's point still stands... you do not NEED a safe. For restricted, a trigger lock + cabinet is a lot more cost effective. And for NR there's no requirement for a gun safe at all; ever.
For newbie's I think that's the message they need to hear; simple and to the point.
Why keep magazines loaded regardless whether its good or not good for the spring. I load them prior to using or the night before, other than that I leave them empty.
Ammo is locked away separately, in another cabinet away from the firearms, thats just the way I like to keep it.
Ammo is locked away separately, in another cabinet away from the firearms, thats just the way I like to keep it.
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So the answer is "go ahead," it seems.
Actually that's not quite true. It depends entirely on what the spring is made of, and in the case of a magazine, how the mag is constructed. Some springs will indeed be adversely affected by long periods of compression, others not so much (or seemingly, not at all). There are also several different adverse affects possible. Also depending on the material, corrosion can be hastened in a spring under load.
All thing deteriorate over time, so its really an issue of whether the deterioration under load is much different than deterioration without a load.
I see this issue from time to time here, and it always suprises me how quick some people are to state emphatically that springs won't be affected by long periods of compression, when in reality, they are just parroting something they heard, and really have no clue. Do some actual research on spring physics. And 'no', watching mythbusters doesn't count as 'research'.
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If you don't use the magazines very much, the springs will eventually weaken if kept loaded, so be aware
This is incorrect springs only weaken with use, not wether they are loaded or not.
This is untrue. They don't ONLY weaken with use. Read my post above (#27). Whether they weaken under load is a 'depends'. Depends on material, and construction primarily.
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Most stack-on cabinets I believe are marketed as a 'safe' and should be sufficient - and that only allows you to store a restricted without a triger lock. restricted or non-restricted, you can still store your charged magazines next to your firearm.
How long ago did you take your course?? in my course (last night) they were very specific in stating that a firearm (non-restricted) & ammo could be safely & legally stored together in your gun safe, as long as the gun IS NOT loaded. Your magazine can be loaded, it cannot be in the gun.
Go read your firearm training manual, is states it in there as well.
Really?......erm in case let's say a bear comes along yeah a bear
then it takes a second to slap in a mag not 5minutes to unlock ammo get ammo load mag then load firearm
darn bears
.......why not just use common sense, store the ammo and firearms separately, lock it all up. Better safe than shot. Seeing that restricted firearms cannot be used legally for anything but target practice at a range, why would you even store a loaded mag with it? The few minutes it takes to load before heading to range isn't worth an accident ..... just my opinion.
Well, there are some decent online sources of info. Beats the hell out of coming to a gun forum for intelligent and factual responses (there are few).
Btw... how is the spring in a magazine 'not in use' when under a constant load?
^ This, is a more correct response to the spring issue, though not true of all springs, nor necessarily all magazines.
Most manufacturers understand that the springs used in magazines need to be able to tolerate a certain pressure without weakening the spring, and they build for that purpose. So given that assumption that you're buying a good quality mag that's been properly designed and constructed, and not otherwise abused, the mag spring could last many years under load.
But that's not always the case. Again, it depends entirely on the material the spring is made of, and the manufacture. If the right spring isn't used, or people increase the load on the spring beyond the magazine's design, the spring can indeed weaken. For instance, if the mag was designed for 5 rounds, but you manage to stuff in one more, you can push the spring beyond its tolerance.
Just don't buy into the mindless crap that the springs are only stressed when being loaded or unloaded. There's already too many people parroting misinformation here.
so leaving loaded mags and boxes of shells all over the house would be bad?
classic thanks for the levity
86(2) Every one who, without lawful excuse, uses, carries, handles, ships or stores any firearm or ammunition in a careless manner or without reasonable precautions for the safety of other persons . . . ..
Regina v Candelaria. Reasons. Judge Lane. 6/9/98.
Careless Storage – Ammunition.
1.... The regulations indicate that if ammunition is in a room without firearms then there are no storage regulations that apply. They do not have to be locked. P6.
2.... The regulations are silent as to how ammunition is to be stored if it is in a separate room. P6.
3.... Crown’s perspective. Sloppy storage. Live ammunition in the open and easily accessible. Loose ammunition on the workbench. P7.
4.... Not clear that the loose ammunition was linked to the guns that were seized. P7.
5.... Some ammunition related to guns clearly secured by trigger locks. P7.
6.... Other ammunition related to guns that were in the locked closet even though they did not have trigger locks. P7. Not satisfied that ammunition was linked to weapons in the same room. P7.
7.... Note:
1..... None of the firearms were stored carelessly, some in trigger locks and others in the locked closet.
2..... Ammunition stored casually but that is not contrary to the law. PP 7,8.
http://n fa.ca/resource-items/storage-and-other-cc-s-861-cases
