Storing Mags Full
- Thread starter wormwood777
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I would think you would need a very strong spring over a very long time to apply enough pressure to bend the feed lips.
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We were talking about rights etc. earlier in the thread...
And I found these excerpts from the Criminal Code of Canada:
Defence of Person
Defence — use or threat of force
•34. (1) A person is not guilty of an offence if
•(a) they believe on reasonable grounds that force is being used against them or another person or that a threat of force is being made against them or another person;
•(b) the act that constitutes the offence is committed for the purpose of defending or protecting themselves or the other person from that use or threat of force; and
•(c) the act committed is reasonable in the circumstances.
• Factors
(2) In determining whether the act committed is reasonable in the circumstances, the court shall consider the relevant circumstances of the person, the other parties and the act, including, but not limited to, the following factors:
•(a) the nature of the force or threat;
•(b) the extent to which the use of force was imminent and whether there were other means available to respond to the potential use of force;
•(c) the person’s role in the incident;
•(d) whether any party to the incident used or threatened to use a weapon;
•(e) the size, age, gender and physical capabilities of the parties to the incident;
•(f) the nature, duration and history of any relationship between the parties to the incident, including any prior use or threat of force and the nature of that force or threat;
•(f.1) any history of interaction or communication between the parties to the incident;
•(g) the nature and proportionality of the person’s response to the use or threat of force; and
•(h) whether the act committed was in response to a use or threat of force that the person knew was lawful.
Defence — property
•35. (1) A person is not guilty of an offence if
•(a) they either believe on reasonable grounds that they are in peaceable possession of property or are acting under the authority of, or lawfully assisting, a person whom they believe on reasonable grounds is in peaceable possession of property;
•(b) they believe on reasonable grounds that another person
•(i) is about to enter, is entering or has entered the property without being entitled by law to do so,
•(ii) is about to take the property, is doing so or has just done so, or
•(iii) is about to damage or destroy the property, or make it inoperative, or is doing so;
•(c) the act that constitutes the offence is committed for the purpose of
•(i) preventing the other person from entering the property, or removing that person from the property, or
•(ii) preventing the other person from taking, damaging or destroying the property or from making it inoperative, or retaking the property from that person; and
•(d) the act committed is reasonable in the circumstances.
So do we have rights or not?
And I found these excerpts from the Criminal Code of Canada:
Defence of Person
Defence — use or threat of force
•34. (1) A person is not guilty of an offence if
•(a) they believe on reasonable grounds that force is being used against them or another person or that a threat of force is being made against them or another person;
•(b) the act that constitutes the offence is committed for the purpose of defending or protecting themselves or the other person from that use or threat of force; and
•(c) the act committed is reasonable in the circumstances.
• Factors
(2) In determining whether the act committed is reasonable in the circumstances, the court shall consider the relevant circumstances of the person, the other parties and the act, including, but not limited to, the following factors:
•(a) the nature of the force or threat;
•(b) the extent to which the use of force was imminent and whether there were other means available to respond to the potential use of force;
•(c) the person’s role in the incident;
•(d) whether any party to the incident used or threatened to use a weapon;
•(e) the size, age, gender and physical capabilities of the parties to the incident;
•(f) the nature, duration and history of any relationship between the parties to the incident, including any prior use or threat of force and the nature of that force or threat;
•(f.1) any history of interaction or communication between the parties to the incident;
•(g) the nature and proportionality of the person’s response to the use or threat of force; and
•(h) whether the act committed was in response to a use or threat of force that the person knew was lawful.
Defence — property
•35. (1) A person is not guilty of an offence if
•(a) they either believe on reasonable grounds that they are in peaceable possession of property or are acting under the authority of, or lawfully assisting, a person whom they believe on reasonable grounds is in peaceable possession of property;
•(b) they believe on reasonable grounds that another person
•(i) is about to enter, is entering or has entered the property without being entitled by law to do so,
•(ii) is about to take the property, is doing so or has just done so, or
•(iii) is about to damage or destroy the property, or make it inoperative, or is doing so;
•(c) the act that constitutes the offence is committed for the purpose of
•(i) preventing the other person from entering the property, or removing that person from the property, or
•(ii) preventing the other person from taking, damaging or destroying the property or from making it inoperative, or retaking the property from that person; and
•(d) the act committed is reasonable in the circumstances.
So do we have rights or not?
I assume you mean Magazine.... If you can show me how you can use a loaded magazine as a "Weapon" i'd like to see it... Perhaps you could throw it at them ~ in which case are rocks then considered "weapons"?
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There was a recent case of where our law frowned upon a gun owner. It might have escalated to a dirty look at one point.
I'll go and trigger lock my clips now, thanks for the heads up.
Modern springs don't wear out as easily as the old ones, you also don't wear out a spring by being compressing it, they slightly wear after years of fatigue(compression & decompression) however with our pinned mags I cannot see that happening anytime soon.
I have my mags loaded at all times in my safe and never had a feeding issues(PMAG & 1911). Just keep them locked up and not loaded into your firearm.
I have my mags loaded at all times in my safe and never had a feeding issues(PMAG & 1911). Just keep them locked up and not loaded into your firearm.
Because it has ammo in it, isn't that the law now? Too much to follow so don't take my word for it
tactical870
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- Buckhorn, Ontario
No. A spring is only damaged by repeated cycling. It will not hurt a spring to be stored compressed, only to be used repeatedly.
tactical870
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- Buckhorn, Ontario
They don't. There's a pile of armchair lawyers and cgn "experts" who should maybe try reading the firearms act.....
This is not necessarily true. It depends entirely on the manufacture and materials used in the magazine. So for the most part, yes many manufacturer's are going to produce magazines with quality springs that can handle being compressed for long periods of time, but its not guaranteed that all magazines are manufactured to that same spec.
This business of springs only being damaged by repeated cycling is pure poppy ####. I wish people would stop parroting half truths. Do some research into spring physics, namely the Hooke's Law. Not all springs are designed to the same specs, and not all springs return to their original shape after being compressed for long periods of time. But chances are, magazine springs have been designed for the compression load they are intended to work with. But my point is... its not a given.
tactical870
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- Location
- Buckhorn, Ontario
Agreed!!!!!
- Location
- East ontario
always leave them loaded, useless if they are not loaded. I once left 10 glock mags loaded for 5 yrs while I was in the Uk working, came back shot them all, reloaded no problem at all.
Spring steel is not affected by time periods of being distorted or cycling, they will only change their properties if taken beyond the yield point. The only things besides that moment of yield is extreme temperature (cryogenically freezing or heating upwards of 2000deg), corrosion or chemical.
PERIOD.
A great example of a spring that retains its original properties would be a valve spring in an engine. It is compressed once per 2 revolutions of your engine. Lets say the average overhaul of the engines I build is 20 000 hours at say 2500 rpm. The valve spring is compressed once per 2 revolutions. 20000hrs x 60 min = 1.2million minutes.
1.2million minutes x 2500 rpm = 3billion revolutions. So that valve spring is compressed 1.5 billion times in that period.
Then we dissasemble the engine, do whats gotta be done, check test the springs and 99% of the time they go back in for another 1.5 billion compression cycles, then maybe another and another....
Even cheap junk magazine springs may compress beyond the yield point the first time you load a magazine. The damage is done at that moment. They will have taken a new and permanent set. Repeated cyling or periods of compression will not damage them any more.
And as far as they comment about new springs being better than old... I doubt that. If anything financial greed has surpassed quality metalurgy. Pretty safe to say they just dont make em like they used to, no matter what your talking about.
PERIOD.
A great example of a spring that retains its original properties would be a valve spring in an engine. It is compressed once per 2 revolutions of your engine. Lets say the average overhaul of the engines I build is 20 000 hours at say 2500 rpm. The valve spring is compressed once per 2 revolutions. 20000hrs x 60 min = 1.2million minutes.
1.2million minutes x 2500 rpm = 3billion revolutions. So that valve spring is compressed 1.5 billion times in that period.
Then we dissasemble the engine, do whats gotta be done, check test the springs and 99% of the time they go back in for another 1.5 billion compression cycles, then maybe another and another....
Even cheap junk magazine springs may compress beyond the yield point the first time you load a magazine. The damage is done at that moment. They will have taken a new and permanent set. Repeated cyling or periods of compression will not damage them any more.
And as far as they comment about new springs being better than old... I doubt that. If anything financial greed has surpassed quality metalurgy. Pretty safe to say they just dont make em like they used to, no matter what your talking about.
