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^ I agree.
Storing Restricted at range
- Thread starter Beaman33
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If they are being stored there because the OP finds it convenient: I hope the OP is sure the range has 3rd party theft insurance as it is possible that their own insurance will not cover a theft of something not their property or under contractual holding (consignment, warranty, etc). As my dad always said: thieves don't target banks because it is easy or the chances of getting caught low; but because there is so much money to get in one theft (or so many guns in one theft).
If they are being stored there because the OP's wife has a reason that she should not be trusted with a firearm: it is good the OP is still able to continue with the chosen hobby, but see above. I hope that she will soon be able to be trusted with a firearm so that the OP will have to opportunity to enjoy the hobby completely.
If they are being stored there because the OP's wife has a fear of firearms: is it hoplophopia (a curable condition that needs to be cured for the wife's sake as irrational phobias can be life long crippling disabilities that negatively affect the person and all of society) or that she does not trust the OP with a firearm? Does she have a reason to not trust the OP with a firearm? If it is not either of them then I will simply say nothing, as I can't say anything nice.
If they are being stored there because the OP's wife has a reason that she should not be trusted with a firearm: it is good the OP is still able to continue with the chosen hobby, but see above. I hope that she will soon be able to be trusted with a firearm so that the OP will have to opportunity to enjoy the hobby completely.
If they are being stored there because the OP's wife has a fear of firearms: is it hoplophopia (a curable condition that needs to be cured for the wife's sake as irrational phobias can be life long crippling disabilities that negatively affect the person and all of society) or that she does not trust the OP with a firearm? Does she have a reason to not trust the OP with a firearm? If it is not either of them then I will simply say nothing, as I can't say anything nice.
I had to re-read your post a couple of times. I think it's because your main 'residence' of your firearms is now the gun range, which is why you need an STATT.
It's just a pain in the butt to go to the range, bring it home and clean it + the added STATT request contacting the CFO, but it all depends how often you clean your firearms.
It's just a pain in the butt to go to the range, bring it home and clean it + the added STATT request contacting the CFO, but it all depends how often you clean your firearms.
If you read the OPs post carefully you'll see he isn't a "proponent of people storing their firearms at the range." He is doing so at the request of his wife. People who are in relationships understand that sometimes accommodations need to be made. Perhaps that is hard to understand for people whose most important relationship in life is with their guns.
When I helped a friend whose wife wasn't comfortable with having guns in the home instead of insulting the guy and questioning his manhood I understood the situation and helped him out. We also developed a plan to get her to change her views. It took a couple of years but eventually she came around and the guns were returned.
Go ahead, store your guns at a range. Just make sure they are properly stored, secure and that their is some sort of security and insurance there to cover them. Because if they are stolen from a range (as well as your house) you will be responsible for any crimes committed by your guns, even if they are stolen. You have to love the laws here in the peoples democratic republic of Canada. Also, on the same note, Switzerland, allows qualified militia members to keep their guns at home, in case of insurrection. There are bunkers in various places with stocks of military weapon to be used in case of emergency by the militias. Unfortunately, these bunkers have bee raided and stripped by various biker gangs at war with each other. This begs the question- if the military can't protect these groups of weapons, who would protect our guns stored at remote ranges. Anyway, mine will be staying at home, no matter what BULL#### rules are developed. And they sure will be protected at my home.
The ATT stuff makes sense within the current framework of nonsense. Your home isn't the registered location for them and isn't on the approved list of places so you'll have to get a STATT. You can try to convince the CFO to grant a LTATT for you to take them home, they still have that ability. They probably won't because they see no need for you to take them home since they can't be stored there or 'used' there... Maybe make the argument that its the only location you can clean and maintain them, and cleanig and maintenance is a type of use.
All the haters should just stop, this man values his marriage and his wife over guns, its a good decision.
Store them at the range and try to convert your wife
one of us, one of us, one of us.
All the haters should just stop, this man values his marriage and his wife over guns, its a good decision.
Store them at the range and try to convert your wife
one of us, one of us, one of us.
hmmm tough crowd, I prefer to store mine at home, but again that is my preference and situation, other peoples situations vary, I think you should work on that. As I understand you changed the official storage location to the range,.... but did you have to? If my range offered to store my pistol in thier vault overnight for whatever reason, say I was not going straight home that night, Is that illegal? What about temporarily say a week? Say you are going on vacation and dont want to leave them at home ? surely you would not have to change its storage location.Any comments....
You make a good point. As a result of my experience, I have become hyper sensitive in regards to accommodations that need to be made.
The friend (and his wife) were fortunate to have you to help through the process.
Education here is important, I'm assuming there is an emotional response where the OP's wife doesn't want them in the home. As irrational as it most likely is, maybe she'll come around in time. My family has gone from fairly anti - gun, to onboard. My wife, and parents got their pals. OP have you introduced your wife to the sport?
100% Pure BS
You might want to actually know what the law is before telling others what it is. Please dont post if you have no clue, all you're doing is adding confusion to the situation
Shawn
NewCollector
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I know and agree 100%. Every time I see people react to a post like that, it blows my mind. People complain endlessly about firearms owners being divided, and then seem to do everything in their power to make newcomers feel unwelcome. WTH? It IS possible for people to find a set of circumstances that works for them, but might violate your principles if it were forced on you, without it indicating a damn thing about what they think the policy should be, or a thing about their politics. And if you think that every liberal is a problem and every conservative is a hero, you are just letting everyone know you are a blowhard, and embarrassingly uninformed. Might as well just say, "My side good, their side bad." A well informed and nuanced understanding, if ever there was one. Never minding the existence of pro-gun liberals (who are an admittedly uncommon breed, but do exist), or the prevalence of dinosaur place-holder conservatives that are as useless on gun rights issues as the anti's themselves.
So rather than shipping his wife off to the range (or the kitchen, as seems to be what those post were aiming at), here we have a man that shows that he's a guy that is willing to respect her opinion and find a compromise that satisfies them both, and give him the time to enjoy his hobby and the opportunity to allow his wife to learn more and come around over time, rather than slapping her around or kicking her to the curb. What? Talk to her? Like she was people? Ya, he must be totally dickless.
People like this are constantly pining for the good old days, without ever acknowledging that people in the good old days had manners. Anyone remember when men were gentlemen?
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At the same time if the OP can't fight his wife on this what happens when the gov tells him where he can store them? Or if he can keep them?
Not the kind of firearm owner I see fighting for gun rights, when he can't even keep his toys in the house.
Different people have different reality when it comes to what they can do with their guns.
I've had three friends get PALs at my (repeated) urgings. Two of the three have not yet bought a gun despite 2 years since they got the PAL (and RPAL). One because of his wife - she won't let a gun into the house. The other because he has a variable residence and no reliable place to store his guns (even though his wife is a Yankee and loves guns).
I'd rather they bought the guns and became gun owners, even if they had to store the guns at the range. At least then they have some skin in the game and become part of the fight.
So enough bashing of a fellow gun owner.
And how many of those doing the bashing have been married for more than 5 years?
I've had three friends get PALs at my (repeated) urgings. Two of the three have not yet bought a gun despite 2 years since they got the PAL (and RPAL). One because of his wife - she won't let a gun into the house. The other because he has a variable residence and no reliable place to store his guns (even though his wife is a Yankee and loves guns).
I'd rather they bought the guns and became gun owners, even if they had to store the guns at the range. At least then they have some skin in the game and become part of the fight.
So enough bashing of a fellow gun owner.
And how many of those doing the bashing have been married for more than 5 years?
NewCollector
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- Prince Edward Island
Can't imagine who would support something like that, since it effectively wipes out hunting, as much as it's billed as the bill to "Promoting Hunting and Recreational Shooting Act. What do people think when they are righting these titles? Oh, I'll make it sound pro-gun, so then the gun nuts won't even read it. Of course they are going to read it! If they wanted to slip it by, they should have called it something totally innocuous, like "Bill to adjust the industrial feed transportation regulations in cases where transport does not exceed 200 km" and then just tack all the firearms stuff onto it as an addendum at the 11th hour. However, it's hard to demonstrate how you are promoting hobbies, when it looks like you'll be unable to use anything besides a .22 LR and a Shotgun as a designated "Hunting Rifle." Guess we'd all be investing in shotgun sabot setups if we wanted to harvest anything that wasn't fowl. Or to muzzle loaders, since they don't count.
I can't say what another person might or might not do, but I'll point out we don't have information on the how and why of the situation. You are assuming a conflict between man and wife occurred, and that she won, but we have no indication that a fight occurred at all. Maybe she has a phobia, or a history of trauma, or depression, and him knowing this, came up with the off-site storage idea, because that's the kind of nice guy he is. Who knows? However, when it comes to activism, we need leaders, we need fighters, and we need supporters. Some people will do the activism, and other people will support you on the votes with the elections and referendums come down. In this case, we know this guy is a restricted holder, so the risk of a severe FUDD seems low, so... when it comes time to get support, every vote will count, and I don't think it's a stretch of the imagination to guess that this type of guy will vote to support the rest of the community of gun owners; at least as long as we haven't yet completely driven him off with all the baseless accusations of emasculation.
Cheers to that!
I grew up hunting and with guns from an early age. to my wife who lost her father at an early age, guns were what you saw at the 7-11 at 3am during a robbery.
I would have jumped at the chance of storing my firearms at the range until I could make her more comfortable with them. it took me 9 years and a few battles to get them out of my Fathers safe into mine (different provinces...).
My wife now goes to the range with me and will handle them in our home (see that guys/gals OUR home not My home). some people just don't have the same background as others. Please do not Ridicule a fellow enthusiast for working within the circumstances he has been presented with. (firearms stored off site vs. no firearms)
That said, I believe that a law that makes it mandatory to store firearms off site is unreasonable, unnecessary, and somewhat dangerous. If I were to find myself in a situation where I had to store in a central lockup the only part left there would be the lower/frame with a trigger lock, everything else come home in a pelican case...
In the fight for gun rights we'd be better off having the restricted firearm owner who is mature and intelligent enough to reach an accommodation that keeps his wife happy and still own guns as opposed to someone who insults and questions the manhood of the gun owner who stores his pistols at the club.
