Stripped UTG mount allen bolt.

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I purchased a UTG Tri Rail off a member from the EE and it arrived in the mail today.
I haven't even tried installing it yet, however upon visual inspection I can see that the large allen bolt that threads into the left side of the reciever has had it's threads stripped :eek:
That would have been nice information to include in the add. Thanks Mr. Seller who I will let go un-named cause I guess I'm a nice guy :p

Anywho, I recall seeing Threads about this issue with the ARMS mounts. Should I attempt to get a new UTG bolt? Will a bolt from the ARMS mount work? I think it might be easier to source an AMRS bolt, I'm not sure though.

I used to have an ARMS mount and the hardware seemed to be of higher quality steel. So I'd rather use an ARMS bolt if it will work.
 
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It pays to be informed about what you're buying, so I'm not going to answer your questions, or comment on faulting the seller, but to say it would be easier to source another rail.

Friends don't let friends buy Utterly Total Garbage.

Comparing ARMS to UTG .... well, they should never be mentioned together in the same post.
 
easy said:
It pays to be informed about what you're buying, so I'm not going to answer your questions, or comment on faulting the seller, but to say it would be easier to source another rail.

Friends don't let friends buy Utterly Total Garbage.

Comparing ARMS to UTG .... well, they should never be mentioned together in the same post.
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What are you on about? I've read many posts on this site about the UTG rail being a solid little setup. So when I found one in the EE I purchased it and it came to me already stripped!

So clearly the previous owner(s) used too much torque and destroyed the threads. I did my homework and this rail got lots of positive reviews. Lots of other people have this mount installed Im sure without stripping the bolt. Obviously it was the sellers fault, who else would you blame.

I know the ARMS was a sick quality mount. Im not comparing it in any way to this UTG rail. Especially considering I haven't even mounted it let alone shot with it yet. But I sold that ARMS mount awhile ago, and figured I'd try a more affordable set up considering the many positive things I've read.

Im trying to make this rail work and my question is about the bolt that holds this thing to the receiver. I don't want to be made fun of or blamed because I bought a piece of junk according to you guys.
 
All things are relative. The UTG isn't junk but it isn't top of the line either, just like scopes it all depends upon what the comparator product is.

Personally, I would contact the seller to see if a resolution can be found. I once sold a product that unbeknownst to me had a stripped screw and when the buyer contacted me I refunded the money and said keep the part ( it was not being of any use to me and shipping a defective product back was pointless ). Maybe you and your seller can work something out - give it a try.
 
punkrockboy said:
... Did you leave a trader rating??
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Apparently he did. This is what he wrote: "Fast shipper and easy to deal with. Would do buisness again!"

-DeerStalker- said:
... I've read many posts on this site about the UTG rail being a solid little setup. ...
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I don't think you did your homework on this one. The asking price on the rail you bought was $150. -- www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=455864

Did you pay that much when you could have bought it new for $60. That's what Botach Tactical's price is. -- www.botachtactical.com/utgm14trirail.html

Never mind the bolt, let us know how, no, IF your optics even fit on that rail before you affirm your belief of how solid of a set up these are.
 
Unfortunately I jumped the gun on the Trader rating and comment. I left that comment well before the product arrived, and it was solely based on his communication and shipping. He bought it off someone else in the EE, so maybe it was a different owner who stripped the screw.

I'm not here to point fingers. It's not about him, I just want a bolt. I'm likely going to order one from Fabsports.

BTW they retail for $119.99 from Fabsports. and I got the stripper clip guide in the deal. Price also included shipping. I really don't think I paid to much for it considering I didn't have to pay tax and shipping. I assume the $59.99 one is from the US. Now that its here and I find out I need a new bolt I think I paid too much.

Again I don't care about what you think about the quality of this mount, and I don't care that you think I paid too much for it. I was just curious as to where I should look for a new bolt. No need to investigate how much I paid the guy and what my itrader rating was. That's a little unnecessary.
 
who is this Easy guy anyways hehehehe :D

i'd like to know how many UTG m14 mounts you have personally used, installed destroyed........
I install them for clients all the time, i do not sell them personally, but they are definately not junk. Looking at my books, I've installed 13 for clients in the past 3 months. Not one of those clients has complained about the mount and most thank me for recommending it as an alternative to a 600plus knight RAS or the 400plus troy battle rail.

while i'm the first guy to slap some reality into those using the crappy aluminum side scope mounts..... the UTG handgaurd tri rail is actually a decent piece of kit and contrary to what some would claim, I have not met one yet that would not readily and easily accept milspec picatinny rings or attachments.

I have also gotten out some serious measuring tools on a large number of these rails as I am developing products to be used in conjunction with mounts similar to the UTG Tr rail, KAC rail ect..

so, I don't sell or represent UTG and am not affiliated with them in any way. BUT I'm not just spouting on the internet, I am actually working on, custom building and fitting accessories to M14 type rifles , 6 days a week, 12 hours a day.

DeerStalker
an arms 18 mount bolt will do nicely, Fabsports stocks them and wolverine supplies might stock them as they are an ARMS dealer. you may have to check for arms bolt protrusion into the receiver once tight and this is easily solved by filing the arms bolt down until it no longer protrudes into the receivers bolt raceway
 
I'm with M14Doc on this. I have a UTG mount and it works great. They are not top of the line but they work :)

Someone here had upgraded the allen bolt on his UTG so it is possible to replace that. Not sure where he got his though.
 
M14Doctor said:
who is this Easy guy anyways hehehehe :D

i'd like to know how many UTG m14 mounts you have personally used, installed destroyed........
I install them for clients all the time, i do not sell them personally, but they are definately not junk. Looking at my books, I've installed 13 for clients in the past 3 months. Not one of those clients has complained about the mount and most thank me for recommending it as an alternative to a 600plus knight RAS or the 400plus troy battle rail.

while i'm the first guy to slap some reality into those using the crappy aluminum side scope mounts..... the UTG handgaurd tri rail is actually a decent piece of kit and contrary to what some would claim, I have not met one yet that would not readily and easily accept milspec picatinny rings or attachments.

I have also gotten out some serious measuring tools on a large number of these rails as I am developing products to be used in conjunction with mounts similar to the UTG Tr rail, KAC rail ect..

so, I don't sell or represent UTG and am not affiliated with them in any way. BUT I'm not just spouting on the internet, I am actually working on, custom building and fitting accessories to M14 type rifles , 6 days a week, 12 hours a day.

DeerStalker
an arms 18 mount bolt will do nicely, Fabsports stocks them and wolverine supplies might stock them as they are an ARMS dealer. you may have to check for arms bolt protrusion into the receiver once tight and this is easily solved by filing the arms bolt down until it no longer protrudes into the receivers bolt raceway
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Thank you for chiming in with some helpful information Doc and Spearhunter.

I figured the ARMS bolt might be a slightly different length and might require a little filing for length.
 
M14Doctor said:
who is this Easy guy anyways hehehehe :D

i'd like to know how many UTG m14 mounts you have personally used, installed destroyed........
I install them for clients all the time, i do not sell them personally, but they are definately not junk. Looking at my books, I've installed 13 for clients in the past 3 months. Not one of those clients has complained about the mount and most thank me for recommending it as an alternative to a 600plus knight RAS or the 400plus troy battle rail.

while i'm the first guy to slap some reality into those using the crappy aluminum side scope mounts..... the UTG handgaurd tri rail is actually a decent piece of kit and contrary to what some would claim, I have not met one yet that would not readily and easily accept milspec picatinny rings or attachments.

I have also gotten out some serious measuring tools on a large number of these rails as I am developing products to be used in conjunction with mounts similar to the UTG Tr rail, KAC rail ect..

so, I don't sell or represent UTG and am not affiliated with them in any way. BUT I'm not just spouting on the internet, I am actually working on, custom building and fitting accessories to M14 type rifles , 6 days a week, 12 hours a day.

DeerStalker
an arms 18 mount bolt will do nicely, Fabsports stocks them and wolverine supplies might stock them as they are an ARMS dealer. you may have to check for arms bolt protrusion into the receiver once tight and this is easily solved by filing the arms bolt down until it no longer protrudes into the receivers bolt raceway
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Hehehehe, ... Never mind who I am. Do you know who you are? :D

I won't get into specifics, not worth my time arguing about garbage equipment in a place where nobody cares. Its $60. price tag alone speaks volumes, but just for you I will say I've had several UTG items come through my hands including a riser that split in half. Ahahhaa.

Maybe you install them for people who haven't a clue and are so easily sold. Why would anyone need someone else to install a rail for them when tools aren't even necessary to install one? I'll tell you, because you install them for those who's only qualifications are to take pictures with their quasi gear instead of relying on their equipment in harms way.

The stripped bolt the OP speaks of should be enough of a hint that the rest of it is Utter Total Garbage.

You should look to members who actually use their gear instead of those who pay twice the price for used garbage they haven't installed yet and piss about a stripped bold on "visual inspection".

The reason why this tri rail sells for $60. is that it costs them a whole 10$ to produce. ... and it comes with rubber rail guards at that. Quality you say? Yeah right. :D :D
 
Call Phill at P & D, I seem to recal he was talking about getting some of those bolts in stock as people strip the ARMS onea as well!!!

Scott
 
Easy chill out. People strip the bolts on the ARMS mounts as well. So I guess since they to can be stripped than they to are garbage according to your reasoning. Doesn't matter the quality of the hardware, if you use too much torque it can be stripped.

This whole thread is about one little bolt, not about the whole mount so stop chiming in with your totally unless and blatant chat about the quality of this mount.

I guess all the guys who have this mount and shoot their rifles regularly with great results are wrong and you're right.:jerkit:

Thanks for the tip m39a2!
 
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This whole thread is about one little bolt, not about the whole mount ...
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No, actually you came on here with a different tone and title to your thread and later edited it and your post.

Your initial title and intent for this thread was pissing on the seller for selling you this rail with a stripped bolt. That's why I came on to tell you that you bought junk to begin with and why I quoted that you had left positive feedback and now you're whining about a stripped bolt. So go pull the wool over someone else's eyes.
 
The only and I mean only thing that I edited in my first post was the title which read " Stripper UTG mount allen bolt" I changed it to "Stipped" appose to "Stripper" which was clearly a spelling error.

I changed NOTHING in the post just the title, so you must be imagining things.
 
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Contact Fabrice @ Fab Sports or take a trip down to you local hardware shop like I did and find a replacement. As I too had issues with my bolt except it was an ARMS #18 mount. So as you can see from the pic below what I did was red lock tight the thread into the reciever & then place mount on as per normal then blue lock tight the hex bolt on and it's been rock solid ever since.
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Oh ya I cut a slot for a flat head so if some time down the road I want to get ride of it, it won't be a problem.
 
Someone asks for help with a bolt, and some people feel it's right to say that the product is junk. If you can't help, shut up. If the OP the seller or paid too much is not important. Someone asking fellow gun nutz for help is.

If you don't like a product someone purchased keep it to yourself, or at least warn them politely about possible issues. CGN is way too full of people bashing others purchases. I know guys that are scred to make posts about purchases because of all the people waiting to pounce on them. I know guiys that have left CGN for that reason. They found it full of snobs and know-it-alls.

Sure some products are made better than others, but we don't all share the same budget. I wish folks would play nice.
 
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