Suggestions for .300WM 'all-rounder'...

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Hi all, I have been enjoying a couple of .300WM's over the past few years, mostly as long range paper punchers...but the round is so appealing that I'm thinking of hunting with one, if I could find a good 'all-rounder', meaning something I could lug thru the bush on my old stubby legs, ( 5'10", 65+ but in GREAT shape :) ), in old cuttings and occasional clear cuts in northwestern N.B. Hunting white tail mostly and moose on a lucky draw year, haha.

Cheers,
Jim
 
I am also partial to M-70's. They have many models. I am a wood and blue steel man so the featherweight or the Super Grade would be my choice, I have both. If your wanting something lighter and recoil is not an issue take a close look at the Kimber's. I have an Kimber 8400 in 30-06, nice rifle, lighter than the Winchesters, not as accurate though, but well with in minute of moose and deer. I think the Win. M-70 is better value for the money.
 
+1 for a model 70, I presently own a stainless Classic in 300 and I like it, I did own a Browning A bolt in 300 and it was my most accurate rifle, but it was not CRF and I suffer from that affliction, so find the rifle that fits and buy it, in that calibre there is lots to choose from.
 
I'm about 5'10" and the savage fits me perfect. If it's just a hunting gun the savage is great. You won't cry if you scratch it or wear th blue off. It will always be a $350 gun
 
Before you put your money down check out a Tikka T-3 lite with a synthetic stock. Very light (which is nice for us 60+ guys).
 
Tikka T3 "lite" rifles are not that pleasant to shoot in heavy recoiling rifles.

The M70 is a great choice. Personally don't care for the Browning A-Bolt, but they are usually accurate.

Used Sako would be a great find, and usually very accurate.

Try a 700 Remington on the BDL Synthetic Stainless platform as well.

Whatever feels best in hand, and does not weigh 10 lbs+ is a candidate here.

Regards, Dave.
 
A .300 Magnum really shines when chambered in a long barrel, but long barrels aren't ideal on general purpose rifles that might be used occasionally in heavy cover. The solution then is to load your .300 with heavier bullets that give up less velocity when fired through a shorter tube. Lets consider a couple rifles that shouldn't break the bank, even with some gentle customizing: the Winchester M-70, and the Remington M-700. If one was to start with either of these rifles, he would have a reliable accurate rifle, but the barrels are a touch long, the finish leaves something to be desired, the stocks could be better, and your "all arounder" would probably benefit from a set of quality iron sights.

Twenty-two inches is about as short a barrel as I'd want chambered for a .300 Winchester, and is about as short as a standard contour rifle barrel can be cut without adversely affecting the balance of the rifle. Such a rig would still produce respectable velocity with bullets of 180 grs and heavier. Cutting and crowning a rifle barrel is pretty basic stuff for a good gunsmith, and should not pose a problem. Hunting rifles are exposed to the elements and to small mishaps which may occur over time. The best protection your rifle can have is a high quality bake on finish, CeraKote being the best one at the moment, and the color selection runs from gun metal blue to all sorts of subdued tones if you prefer the camo look.

With respect to rifle stocks, lets dispense with the idea of a factory or aftermarket plastic stock right away. These stocks do nothing to provide a suitable balance to the rifle, they are not rigid enough to enhance accuracy, and they do nothing to mitigate the effects of felt recoil. A fiberglass stock could be made to your specific LOP, and finished with a high quality recoil pad, I like McMillan stocks and Pachmayr Decelerator recoil pads, but of course they're not the only answer to the question. If you have an affection for wood stocks, the stock should be both pillar and glass bedded, and cross bolts should be installed. This will ensure not only a correct fit and support between stock and steel, it will uniform the action screws torque, prevent the wood from being compressed, and prevent recoil damage. Needless to say, a factory wood stock can be tweaked for far less money than the cost of a high quality fiberglass stock. Regardless of your preference, steps should be taken to ensure the stock fits you correctly, including the height of the comb. If the comb is ideal for the height of a scope, you might have to mash you cheek down hard on the stock in order to get a sight picture with irons. Shooting a heavy kicker with your face mashed into the stock will rattle your fillings. Despite the "drop in" advertising of various stock manufacturers, a proper bedding job is the correct way to proceed, and a correct bedding job will enhance accuracy. I've got in the habit of placing the front sling swivel on the radius of the forend tip. This placement prevents the front swivel stud from cutting my hand in recoil, and it allows the muzzle to ride a few inches lower when the rifle is slung muzzle up. Because I use the sling as a shooting aid, for me a sling attachment on the barrel is not an option, but barrel mounted slings are popular with some folks. Swivel studs should be glued in place to prevent turning.

With respect to iron sights, my taste runs to a barrel band front sight and a ghost ring rear. The difficulty here is that in most cases the ghost ring cannot be mounted at the same time as a scope (although there are scope bases with pop-up ghost rings) where an open sight can be attached midway along the barrel and not interfere. New England Custom Gun (NECG) makes very nice rifle sights, superior to most factory irons sights. Barrel band and ramp style front sights, and both peep and open rear sights are listed on their web site. QD scope rings are a good idea so that you can quickly transition from scope to irons, or from one scope to another. A general purpose rifle is usually equipped with a mid power scope, my first pick would be a Leupold 2.5-8X32; I see little value in mounting gigantic optics on normal hunting rifles. Perhaps if you want to stretch this rifle's legs, a big power scope could be acquired for those occasions. I've become a proponent of Picatinny rails as these offer the greatest latitude for mounting the scope.

Once completed, this rifle will be suitable for all occasions, and only your prowess as a handloader can make it any more versatile.
 
I've got a weakness for .300s and Model 70s. Those manufactured at the FN plant definitely bumped the Winchester's game up a few notches on one of the finest hunting designs ever. (About time too).
 
A .300 Magnum really shines when chambered in a long barrel, but long barrels aren't ideal on general purpose rifles that might be used occasionally in heavy cover. The solution then is to load your .300 with heavier bullets that give up less velocity when fired through a shorter tube. Lets consider a couple rifles that shouldn't break the bank, even with some gentle customizing: the Winchester M-70, and the Remington M-700. If one was to start with either of these rifles, he would have a reliable accurate rifle, but the barrels are a touch long, the finish leaves something to be desired, the stocks could be better, and your "all arounder" would probably benefit from a set of quality iron sights.

Twenty-two inches is about as short a barrel as I'd want chambered for a .300 Winchester, and is about as short as a standard contour rifle barrel can be cut without adversely affecting the balance of the rifle. Such a rig would still produce respectable velocity with bullets of 180 grs and heavier. Cutting and crowning a rifle barrel is pretty basic stuff for a good gunsmith, and should not pose a problem. Hunting rifles are exposed to the elements and to small mishaps which may occur over time. The best protection your rifle can have is a high quality bake on finish, CeraKote being the best one at the moment, and the color selection runs from gun metal blue to all sorts of subdued tones if you prefer the camo look.

With respect to rifle stocks, lets dispense with the idea of a factory or aftermarket plastic stock right away. These stocks do nothing to provide a suitable balance to the rifle, they are not rigid enough to enhance accuracy, and they do nothing to mitigate the effects of felt recoil. A fiberglass stock could be made to your specific LOP, and finished with a high quality recoil pad, I like McMillan stocks and Pachmayr Decelerator recoil pads, but of course they're not the only answer to the question. If you have an affection for wood stocks, the stock should be both pillar and glass bedded, and cross bolts should be installed. This will ensure not only a correct fit and support between stock and steel, it will uniform the action screws torque, prevent the wood from being compressed, and prevent recoil damage. Needless to say, a factory wood stock can be tweaked for far less money than the cost of a high quality fiberglass stock. Regardless of your preference, steps should be taken to ensure the stock fits you correctly, including the height of the comb. If the comb is ideal for the height of a scope, you might have to mash you cheek down hard on the stock in order to get a sight picture with irons. Shooting a heavy kicker with your face mashed into the stock will rattle your fillings. Despite the "drop in" advertising of various stock manufacturers, a proper bedding job is the correct way to proceed, and a correct bedding job will enhance accuracy. I've got in the habit of placing the front sling swivel on the radius of the forend tip. This placement prevents the front swivel stud from cutting my hand in recoil, and it allows the muzzle to ride a few inches lower when the rifle is slung muzzle up. Because I use the sling as a shooting aid, for me a sling attachment on the barrel is not an option, but barrel mounted slings are popular with some folks. Swivel studs should be glued in place to prevent turning.

With respect to iron sights, my taste runs to a barrel band front sight and a ghost ring rear. The difficulty here is that in most cases the ghost ring cannot be mounted at the same time as a scope (although there are scope bases with pop-up ghost rings) where an open sight can be attached midway along the barrel and not interfere. New England Custom Gun (NECG) makes very nice rifle sights, superior to most factory irons sights. Barrel band and ramp style front sights, and both peep and open rear sights are listed on their web site. QD scope rings are a good idea so that you can quickly transition from scope to irons, or from one scope to another. A general purpose rifle is usually equipped with a mid power scope, my first pick would be a Leupold 2.5-8X32; I see little value in mounting gigantic optics on normal hunting rifles. Perhaps if you want to stretch this rifle's legs, a big power scope could be acquired for those occasions. I've become a proponent of Picatinny rails as these offer the greatest latitude for mounting the scope.

Once completed, this rifle will be suitable for all occasions, and only your prowess as a handloader can make it any more versatile.
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Wow, quite the treatise Boomer. I appreciate the time and effort to compose such an informative reply, the information you provided during my quest for a good, perhaps great, all rounder in .300WM will come in handy I'm sure. Just wish I could get next to someone who could evaluate the 'fit' of a gun. Perhaps that is something I'll have to read up on and work out on my own...

I hunted with a .270 for years, many years in fact, until a couple of years ago I was using a SHR in .300WM and took down a nice sized 10pt'r at less than 100yrds. I was using 160gr of some type that I had put together, and one shot to the neck, ( my 1st choice if appropriate ), dropped him. However as I got up to him I realized he was still very much alive judging by his eye following my movements around him. I bleed him out and upon examination later in the basement, realized the neck shot had missed the spinal cord, but the shock of the .300 round had paralyzed him. Now maybe a smaller lighter round could have done the same thing, don't know, but my impression at the time was that the WM was responsible for avoiding a wounded animal.

Anyway, I babble on....

Jim
 
that's why I do not shoot for neck shots .put them in the ribs and you will not have wounded animals to worry about .I do like the 300s and a rem or rugger action is what I would look at .Dutch
 
I went through the same exercise about 20 years ago here in NB and settled on a 24 inch barreled Remington 700 Stainless BDL in 300 WM. The 24 inch barrel is handy and I find Remington stocks fit me well. It is still a great rifle and very consistent. This year for sh*ts & giggles I have a Winchester model 70 Stainless in 300WSM that I am trying out and liking alot. It also has a 24 inch barrel, I guess that is what works for me.
 
Benelli R1 Argo with comfort tech.
It will recoil like a .270.

I had a wood stock argo in 300 WM and even my wife loved shooting it.
 
I too think the 300WM is one of the best. I have had a few. My best was a Ruger 77 thumb safety. It shot 3/4 to 7/8 5 shot at 100. It was always a comfortable piece in the hand while walking. My next fav. was a 700. I shot a Tikka a couple times and that was enough- pay too dear at shoulder. There are loots of 300 (or similar wsm rusm wise bangs etc.) in the EE. Just watch for a good deal. Good luck
 
You've got some good advice so far. I personally have had a love affair with the .300 Winchester Magnum for almost 20 years now, after having one built around a P-17 Enfield action that I picked up at a gun show (hence my moniker).

You seem to be looking for a general purpose hunting rifle -- and one that is not too fancy or expensive, so that you can feel comfortable taking it through the rough stuff. There are lots of hunting rifles out there that would fit this bill, and I agree that picking up a used rifle -- something like a Savage, Remington or Winchester -- would probably be your best bet in terms of cost, options, availability, parts and accuracy, simply because these are the most popular rifles out there in this chambering.

You should choose the one that feels best in your hands and comes up to your shoulder naturally and consistently. You don't need to out-think this. You'll know it when you feel it because the rifle will want to come up to your shoulder pointing at what you are looking at.

I agree with the others who say that the cheap plastic Tupperware stocks are not ideal for a number of reasons. However, I know for a fact that they can be made to work very well IF you know a bit out stock bedding and stiffening. If you don't, then a used rifle with a wood stock is the most practical and cost-effective choice. Whatever you do, spend a few extra bucks on one of the fancy new recoil pads like the Limbsaver. Shooting should be comfortable and fun, and these pads are worth their price, easily.

For all-around use, choose a standard variable scope in the 3-9 or 2.5-10 power range, with an objective of 40mm or smaller. Don't get too much power, weight or bulk if you intend to use this rifle for real-world hunting. I've made consistent hits on the "head" of a silhouette target at 600 metres with the aforementioned P-17, and the scope that I use tops out at 9x.

Other than that, use your common sense, and it should work out well for you.
 
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