We think we save money by buying a $600 rifle instead of a $1000 one. The selling price later is also $400 higher. When you factor in brass, dies, powder, bullets, rings, optics, shipping, any accessorys, that $400 difference looks mighty small over the 5-10 yrs you own a rifle. 375H&H is your solution. Buy it in a Zastava or Weatherby Vanguard.
Suggestions for a "big and slow" caliber?
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dgradinaru
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I don't know what you mean by that, but every new rifle I bought and sold money was always lost. Same idea with buying a new vehicle. Leave the lot and it drops 10,000$ on average. Buy a new rifle for 1200 and your lucky to get 950-1000$ even if unfired.
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- Somewhere on the Hudson Bay Coast
Of course you guys know that the .375 H&H is neither particularly big or slow, but there's not much it can't do.
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- In the shadows of the Rockies
Yep, those don't kick that hard. And aren't expensive to own or handload - it's just pocket change.
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- In the shadows of the Rockies
It's an adequate heavy game round. And the Zastava rifle and PRVI ammo are good deals. The ammo could be re-assembled with a premium quality core-bond bullet.
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- In the shadows of the Rockies
Some will appreciate quite well. For example the 45-70 Ruger No.1 that I paid $900 new a while back has a fair market value of considerably more than that today and should continue to appreciate in value. No.1's are like that unaltered and kept in good condition. Not gonna happen with a 783 or the like.
You pay more upfront. You get more when you sell it. Don't be dense. Diesel pickup costs more, also get more when you sell it.
The 458 wm is capable of all things you want except price. It can be loaded down easily. I shoot 300 gr Hornady hollow points at 2500 fps and recoil is very mild. I use a 400 gr ppsn woodlieghs at 2450 fps and it shoots reasonably flat to 200 yards. Dead on at 100 only drops 6" at 200 yards
It can be loaded down especially with cast bullets. I haven't tried cast in mine but I load cast bullets in my 45/70.
Henry is releasing a single shot 45/70 should be in the $4-500 price range
My 458 wm is around 10 lbs with its 26.5" barrel. It also has a mercury recoil reducer in the stock. It fits perfectly and can be a joy to shoot with light loads.
If recoil is an issue a 308 with 220 gr or 30/06 with a 240 gr may work for your price range
338 federal maybe over your budget however zastava offers decent rifles for decent money
It can be loaded down especially with cast bullets. I haven't tried cast in mine but I load cast bullets in my 45/70.
Henry is releasing a single shot 45/70 should be in the $4-500 price range
My 458 wm is around 10 lbs with its 26.5" barrel. It also has a mercury recoil reducer in the stock. It fits perfectly and can be a joy to shoot with light loads.
If recoil is an issue a 308 with 220 gr or 30/06 with a 240 gr may work for your price range
338 federal maybe over your budget however zastava offers decent rifles for decent money
I have in my collection a full range of rifles and cartridges which would meet and/or exceed the OPs criteria........358 Win Mod 7 Rem, two 350 RM Mod 7 Rems, 35 Whelen Mod 700, 9.3X62 CZ 550 FS, three 375 H&Hs, 38-72, 405 WinX2, 40-72, 40-82, 45-70, 45-90, 45-110...........and I still would recommend the 375 H&H to complement his 270 and 243. A 375 can be as light or as heavy as one wishes and the recoil level will be determined by how the op loads for it. If he loads a 270 gn at 2500 fps he will experience exactly the same recoil as a 9.3X62. If he loads a 250 at 2600 he will experience exactly the same recoil as a 35 Whelen, if he loads a 250 at 2300 he will experience the same recoil as a 358 Win, and on, and on, and on........However if he loads a 270 at 2800 he can achieve something no other cartridge in this class can..........375 H&H ballistics......
The 375 can be had on the same actions as the 9.3, 35 Whelen etc so the rifle needn't be any bigger or heavier than any of these rifles. Hell Sako used to make it in a little 20" barreled full stock, one of the sweetest 375s I ever shot or handled and given that the OP isn't looking for fire breathing ballistics, it would fit his criteria perfectly........(except for the price of course). Then again if he purchased one of these little beauties he could use it for 10 or 20 years and sell it at a profit as these quality rifles NEVER go down in price and in particular the ones in 375 H&H. I would predict that in 10 or 20 years he could double his money if he was relatively careful and took good care of it.
Due to the mercenary ploy by Photobucket, I don't have any photos to post of game I have taken with the 375 H&H but it numbers in the dozens........from duiker to eland to giraffe to hippos as well as lion, leopard, croc and bears.
These threads got me all worked up.........I think I'll go load something, maybe some 358 Win.........or wait, I think I have 50 X 350 RM prepped and ready to load.
The 375 can be had on the same actions as the 9.3, 35 Whelen etc so the rifle needn't be any bigger or heavier than any of these rifles. Hell Sako used to make it in a little 20" barreled full stock, one of the sweetest 375s I ever shot or handled and given that the OP isn't looking for fire breathing ballistics, it would fit his criteria perfectly........(except for the price of course). Then again if he purchased one of these little beauties he could use it for 10 or 20 years and sell it at a profit as these quality rifles NEVER go down in price and in particular the ones in 375 H&H. I would predict that in 10 or 20 years he could double his money if he was relatively careful and took good care of it.
Due to the mercenary ploy by Photobucket, I don't have any photos to post of game I have taken with the 375 H&H but it numbers in the dozens........from duiker to eland to giraffe to hippos as well as lion, leopard, croc and bears.
These threads got me all worked up.........I think I'll go load something, maybe some 358 Win.........or wait, I think I have 50 X 350 RM prepped and ready to load.
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Thinking outside the box a rifled slug gun meets your list. Cheap. Common. Hits hard. Full bore slugs for close range and saboted slugs for further shots. Legal for big game in Ontario. Smooth bore barrel for small game and grouse and waterfowl.
BB........I used a 416 Taylor extensively in Africa my very first trip. It is a fabulous cartridge but a tad more niche than the 375 H&H and you have that niche nicely covered with your 458 WM. With the 416 Ruger commercially available now, I wouldn't bother with a Taylor. I would barrel up a new Mod 70 if you're CRF fanatic or my taste would run more to a Sako A IV Safari in 416 Ruger. If I was on the cheap it would be a 700 stainless or even a Zastava or Ruger for that matter. The Ruger is a better cartridge and brass is easily purchased or made from 375 H&H or 416 Rem brass.....(I have hundreds and hundreds of both).
Don't want to burst your bubble there BB but the Taylor has been made redundant and obsolete by the 416 Ruger. The Ruger has all the attributes of the Taylor (including not needing a true magnum action) and has a slight ballistic edge as well. The Taylor did fill a niche no other 416 could claim, Rigby ballistics through an '06 length action, however with a factory cartridge now filling that exact niche and doing it with better ballistics the Taylor no longer has a reason to exist.......sorry BB.
Don't want to burst your bubble there BB but the Taylor has been made redundant and obsolete by the 416 Ruger. The Ruger has all the attributes of the Taylor (including not needing a true magnum action) and has a slight ballistic edge as well. The Taylor did fill a niche no other 416 could claim, Rigby ballistics through an '06 length action, however with a factory cartridge now filling that exact niche and doing it with better ballistics the Taylor no longer has a reason to exist.......sorry BB.
