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The original M3 used left and right receiver halves welded together with a wrap around seam. Duplicating this pattern would be very difficult. The semi auto version made in the US uses a tube with a lower unit welded to it. This approximates a M3. I have no idea where M3 parts could be had in this country.
Ever handle a Grease Gun? Very portly.
A member here has a CA gun. If he sees this thread, perhaps he might post photos.
Even a first generation high quality gun like a Suomi can be replicated using the tubing approach. The more metal pressings that are involved, the trickier it gets to make a reasonable reproduction. The Suomi was one of the best quality first generation guns made. It was not until WW2 that designers realized that an effective smg could be produced using really inexpensive manufacturing technology.
Ever handle a Grease Gun? Very portly.
A member here has a CA gun. If he sees this thread, perhaps he might post photos.
Even a first generation high quality gun like a Suomi can be replicated using the tubing approach. The more metal pressings that are involved, the trickier it gets to make a reasonable reproduction. The Suomi was one of the best quality first generation guns made. It was not until WW2 that designers realized that an effective smg could be produced using really inexpensive manufacturing technology.
I think it's doable. The problem like with lots of these things is how to make it semi auto. Off the top of my head I would say it would probably not be overly difficult to install a modified sten trigger mechanism and modify the bolt to suit.
M3s and MP-38/40s were sold as CAs, even though they were never semi auto. The Sten tripping lever has a notch which presses against a ledge on the sear, and the bolt strikes a trip on the tripping lever to disconnect. In the others, the trigger connector is pinned to the sear. Turn this into a movable connection like the Sten, and add a projection to the connector for the bolt to strike, and its semi. A spring to keep the connector in contact with the sear would be needed - the Sten system is as easy a way to do this as any.
The M3A1 is as simple as they come. But its method of construction was more complicated than many.
Really, you need to decide if you want a close reproduction, or just a semi auto pistol calibre carbine.
The M3A1 is as simple as they come. But its method of construction was more complicated than many.
Really, you need to decide if you want a close reproduction, or just a semi auto pistol calibre carbine.
You guys make me laugh... When an FTR entry is approved for open-bolt guns, you will see many more of them.
FYI, I called last week and asked. No open bolt stens approved by the CFC. I'm in the process of trying to get one approved myself but suspect it's a long shot.
FYI, I called last week and asked. No open bolt stens approved by the CFC. I'm in the process of trying to get one approved myself but suspect it's a long shot.
I really can't see any difference between a tube stuffed with sas bits or one with an original bolt. Semi auto is semi auto, as long as the gun can not be easily made full auto that's all that matters, it makes no difference how it's achieved.
its not 100% legal and above board UNTILL an FRT# listing it as either a restricted or none restricted
I suspect that the rcmp will test it and fail it the rcmp were VERY VERY clear with me that FA orig bolts of the orig size and orig sized recievers would not be acceptable as it could be easily refitted with FA parts
we can say this or that we can believe whatever Untill we have a open bolt sten TESTED by the RCMP and ruled NON-prohib its useless really!
I suspect that the rcmp will test it and fail it the rcmp were VERY VERY clear with me that FA orig bolts of the orig size and orig sized recievers would not be acceptable as it could be easily refitted with FA parts
we can say this or that we can believe whatever Untill we have a open bolt sten TESTED by the RCMP and ruled NON-prohib its useless really!
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Spencer....all that with mostly just hand tools?
Imagine if you bought my Sherline mill/lathe....
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Imagine if you bought my Sherline mill/lathe....
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this was in respect to a home built 1919a4 that I never did build
they stated the "reciever" cannot be the orig size
an orig bolt cannot fit
the orig trigger group cannot fit
the reason was becasue the user could simply slip in orig parts and have a FA
this was also stated on a sub gun Ive submitted
Please spencer prove me WRONG ( I do want to be wrong on this) submit the gun and get an FRT shown non or restricted
and ill build one the same day
stencollector
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Everyone ?
Exactly
So what has been done to this gun to make it not easily to fire in full auto? Is it not possible to simply pull off the trigger cover and hand operate the sear (bypassing the trigger and the tripping lever altogether) in full auto mode? Would this not qualify as "easily be made full auto"?
Who issued the range license so that restricted firearms can be fired on this property? I do not see the usual Berms, range flags etc which are normally required to operate such firearms.
And how do you manage to get all those elusive ITAR controlled kits Spencer? It is not even the US regulations that come into play here, but the Canadian DCG regulations as well.
No doubt you have all these angles covered. A couple hundred dollar gunsmith's license does not negate all rules and regulations pertaining to firearms in Canada.
While I will applaud your handiwork with metal, I think you may be into dangerous territory, and perhaps be exceeding the rules of this site.
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stencollector
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Keep it up and you may be getting a government issued set of coveralls one day.
They will, however, likely take away your plastic crocs simply as a matter of good taste.
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