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mbucky32 said:
So after more than a week and re-sending the e-transfer notification (which you can do from online banking), my e-transfer was finally accepted.


There's been some really good comments on here regarding the case (I've read most of the 40+ pages while skipping the trolling going on). There have been some very interesting personal examples cited of people's personal property being violated and safety being threatened. I'm not sure if some people are misinformed or just uninformed while thinking they're fully informed, so I'll add my 2 cents regarding this case and others that are similar. I'd love to hear feedback, mostly of the informed and grounded type. Trolls will be hung by their toes.

In order to gain some perspective of this case, it's good to look at other cases. While many cite the Stanley case, I believe that the Ian Thomson case is more closely related. What is most likely to be presented by the Crown is purely speculative on my part, but will probably look like this:

1) Eddie took it upon himself to leave the safety and security of his home armed to confront someone stealing his property.
2) Eddie illegally pointed his firearm at the thieves, not in fear of his life, but in defense of his property.
3) Eddie illegally discharged his firearm, not in fear of his life, but again in defense of his property.

Canadian law requires that the Use of Force be escalated only to the point required to stop someone. While it may seem trivial, it's actually sound as it helps to ensure that citizens and police alike don't use a hammer to swat a fly. While the Use of Force issue is handled somewhat differently for civilians by the courts, it does require that:

1) You use only the force required to stop someone. In other words, if you fire a warning shot and the person flees, then you're not justified in chasing them down and beating them senseless to "get even". A case in Edmonton a couple of years ago resulted in charges as 2 B&E suspects fled the scene when confronted, however, one individual chased one of the suspects several blocks away and proceeded to give him a beat down. Instead of just the perp being charged, Joe Q Citizen was charged as well.

2) Use of Force requires that you're acting "in good faith and on reasonable grounds". In other words, your actions have to demonstrate that the force used was what an informed person would believe to be reasonable. The proverbial can of worms.

3) You cannot/should not point a firearm unless you: a) Have tried lesser means that failed (ie: fired a warning shot into the air), b) Believe that severe harm to you or others is imminent c) Are fully prepared to discharge your firearm based on A and/or B to stop the threat;

4) You cannot/should not shoot to injure, but rather to stop the threat. Use of a firearm requires that you shoot to stop or prevent imminent harm coming to you or your loved ones. If you tell the police you "winged him", be prepared to go through what the Maurice family is currently enduring.

The reason I mentioned the Thomson case is because he was acquitted of all charges (which coincidentally were reduced to improper storage once the case got underway) for the above reasons I've noted. Thomson had exercised restraint in the use of his firearm as he fired warning shots in the air despite his house being firebombed. Had he shot one of them immediately, no doubt he wouldn't have gotten off so easily and his uphill battle would have been that much harder. Thomson's case is clearly one of the Use of Force being applied appropriately and as such, the court deemed that he acted in good faith and on reasonable grounds.

I hope that my comments here do a couple of things:

1) Garner more value adding discussion with respect to the Maurice case;

2) Give lawful gun owners some information that they can digest and look at the case through a "neutral lens" if it were. I fully support Eddie and his family, hence the reason why I donated what I could, however, we must all be mindful that the use of deadly force is to be taken seriously, whether by civilians or law enforcement and as such, needs to be used only as a last resort and only in good faith;

3) I'm really hoping that those of you who are members of a range/shooting club would consider organizing an evening with a lawyer/crown prosecutor who could do a Q&A and could share their knowledge to a greater depth than what I have. I think that this is an extremely important topic and civilians have the RIGHT to know what their rights are, what the limitations of their rights are and what we need to do, collectively, as law abiding citizens to push for change with respect to defense of self and property.


I hope this information is useful and garners more in depth discussion.
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Arniee said:
In the end this guy got his charges dropped.

https://www.thespec.com/after-ramming-hamilton-house/news-story/2232587-driver-shot-
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https://www.thespec.com/news-story/...der-after-allegedly-ramming-glanbrook-garage/

In this link, they're saying that the woman doing the ramming was charged with "attempted murder". The guy had his charges dropped because he was trying to prevent himself from being murdered. Maybe there's hope for this country yet if we're legally allowed to try and stop folks from murdering us...
 
VinnyQC said:
Well, I guess I'll be happy to stay in a large metro area, where we have clean water and people don't shoot each other. Funny, it used to be that Toronto and Vancouver were the scariest places in Canada, now the city cores are getting less and less violent and rural areas are full of met-heads. Maybe biking to work while drinking a 8$ latte makes people less prone to violence, who knows?
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Or maybe growing food and raising meat, (oh wait...vegan, right?) And working our asses off, For the ungrateful, "educated" metro folks who generally look down upon us with their noses in the air as they ride their bikes, 8 dollar lattes in hand, gets us down.
Hail one year, foot rot the next. Or a hard cold spring that kills calves (no thanks to global warming). Heck for good measure lets pile on more legislation. Then turn around to see some #### head stealing fuel out of the tank, or smashing locks to take whatever they can get their hands on. Try to do something? Oops, no. That's illegal. Call the RCs. They're only a half hour away....the problem isn't the criminal, it's you! Just put another lock on it!

We prefer this life or we wouldn't be here. Persecuted from all sides. And now in Eddies case from none other than the government itself. Leave us alone. We rural folk are peaceful, God (try not to get triggered) fearing, law abiding, hard working people.

Honestly Vinny you pretty much leave me at a loss. I've been following this thread since page 1, and I am pretty sure I have raised steers with more intelligence than you. At least they are capable of understanding that a smack in the ass means it's time to move forward.

Watch your city go without food for a week or two. Then get back to us all about how peaceful you city folks are.
 
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ThatM305Guy said:
Watch your city go without food for a week or two. Then get back to us all about how peaceful you city folks are.
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No need for anything that extreme. The rural crime problem is largely due to the police response times. It's pathetic and the criminals know it and they are just taking advantage of that. I say subject city folk to a similar situation where it would take the police two hours to respond to a break-in three blocks away and let's see what happens...
 
Autolite said:
No need for anything that extreme. The rural crime problem is largely due to the police response times. It's pathetic and the criminals know it and they are just taking advantage of that. I say subject city folk to a similar situation where it would take the police two hours to respond to a break-in three blocks away and let's see what happens...
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*sigh* I let the troll get to me.
Sorry Autolite. I appreciate your efforts to keep things on track.

The simple fact is that when the reward outweighs the consequence, crime goes up. That is simply human nature. Right now there is lots of reward with virtually zero consequence. The criminals not only know that the cops are a long ways off, but they also know that the law all but prohibits the residents from interfering. Not to mention MANY of these guys are packing weapons of their own.
Adding in also the fact that most of them are let off early or with a slap on the wrist, and it's honestly just pitiful.
Working hard to build something for yourself honestly is hard. It takes time, effort, diligence, and builds good CHARACTER.
Why bother? A slap on the wrist is worth it to skip all of that and receive instant gratification.
 
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ThatM305Guy said:
The simple fact is that when the reward outweighs the consequence, crime goes up. That is simply human nature. Right now there is lots of reward with virtually zero consequence. The criminals not only know that the cops are a long ways off, but they also know that the law all but prohibits the residents from interfering. Adding in also the fact that most of them are let off early or with a slap on the wrist, and it's honestly just pitiful.
Working hard to build something for yourself honestly is hard. It takes time, effort, diligence, and builds good CHARACTER.
Why bother? A slap on the wrist is worth it to skip all of that and receive instant gratification.
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Yes, exactly. The bottom line being the government is supporting and facilitating the criminal. And I have no reason to believe that that's going to change. That's why we need to start looking after each other with campaigns like this FundRazr one for Eddie Maurice...
 
Autolite said:
The bottom line being the government is supporting and facilitating the criminal.
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You got that right. The plan is to destabilize the country. Make people fear something - anything. Fear pays big. If people are in fear, government can collect more taxes, borrow more money, create more regulations and laws. All that to make things better. To sooth the fears. You can see that in practically every new law.
 
ThatM305Guy said:
Or maybe growing food and raising meat, (oh wait...vegan, right?) And working our asses off, For the ungrateful, "educated" metro folks who generally look down upon us with their noses in the air as they ride their bikes, 8 dollar lattes in hand, gets us down..............Honestly Vinny you pretty much leave me at a loss. I've been following this thread since page 1, and I am pretty sure I have raised steers with more intelligence than you. At least they are capable of understanding that a smack in the ass means it's time to move forward.

Watch your city go without food for a week or two. Then get back to us all about how peaceful you city folks are.
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well said... it always amazes me that there are people out there that still think meat grows on Styrofoam... and milk and eggs are manufactured behind the cooler door at the grocery store....sigh

As a country boy myself, I can appreciate all the hard work you do....and have been there myself

keep your head high, and don't let moronic trolls get to you......

If we all stick together and fundraise each and every case in the courts, we will prevail thru precedence :)

keep up the good work on your ranch...it is well appreciated by those of us in the "real" world
 
"Looking after each other" also means keeping up to date on what's happening regarding criminal activity in your own area. We should be making a habit of checking the "Canada Police Report" on a regular basis.

http://www.canadapolicereport.ca/20...igate-break-and-enter-in-the-md-of-foothills/

In the example link we see a burglary in Okotoks with the criminal's faces (and the vehicle that they used) clearly seen on video. This kind of info really needs to get out there! Start checking the "Canada Police Report" regularly and forward what you find to others in your area. The next step is keeping these pukes in jail once they're caught...

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^ Great resource Autolite. I was unaware that existed. While we disagree on scale of force to prevent theft I completely agree that community awareness is key. My community south of MJ is very small and it is quite evident when “outsiders” are around. People take note and our crime rate is damn near zero.
 
TT1900 said:
^ Great resource Autolite. I was unaware that existed.
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I suspect that there are a few folks here who might not be aware of the "Canada Police Report" (that was the reason for the post). When I had my car stolen, I had pics and a description of the thief (and his accomplice) posted all over social media. And I got my car back (undamaged) the very next day thanks to an 'anonymous' caller who saw it online. I had people who contacted me from THREE PROVINCES AWAY who saw pics of my car on Facebook!

Video cameras are everywhere now-a-days. It's just too easy to get the pics of the crooks and criminals out there online everywhere. I would suggest that home and property owners take multiple pics of their portable equipment, recreational vehicles, cars, trucks, boats and tractors. Keep the digital pics on an easy to access computer file. If something gets stolen, give the pics to the cops and get them online ASAP.

If you have or can get pics of the thieves too then all the better. You can bet that they too have 'enemies' who would more than happy to rat them out to the authorities...
 
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As a person WELL versed in the law and Section 26 of the Criminal Code: What should be implied when two junkies are breaking into your home? Will they abide by some " Thief code of Conduct" and abandon their compromised mission or kill you for being a witness? Maybe take a turns with your wife? Worse has happened in my province in the past few years.

The bigger issue is that the perpetrator has more rights than the victim. I know that sounds cliche but look at Colton Bushie. The lies upon lies that were ripped apart in court and eventually the native gang admitted to being on a crime spree. The CBC STILL paints Bushie is an innocent kid just asking for some help with a flat tire. The person defending their families are arrested, eviscerated by the media and left a social pariah while the suspects are given as benefit of the doubt (as required by law) and free legal aid in most cases.

Then is no more fear on the part of the perp they are cared for and given a pass if their rights were inadvertently breached.

Also if this still sounds like right-wing prop' please look at what happened today in Calgary court
https://globalnews.ca/news/4149670/nick-chan-murder-charge-stayed/
 
bcbravo2zero said:
Nice work, Jeff!

Aaaand BUMP!

$35,605 today.
This family is going to need more than that with the hell they are going to face over the next couple of years.
I just made my 3rd donation...just another $10 but every dollar helps.
Dig deep, gunnies!

https://fundrazr.com/b1KjM0?ref=fb_87ALDc_ab_AD84lt3j1AZAD84lt3j1AZ
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Sending out the message that fellow gun, home and property owners are willing to help each other out in this kind of situation is as important as the money itself. I'm still hoping that this FundRazr campaign will eventually take off. The potential is certainly there. Consider that the GoFunMe campaign for the Humboldt tragedy raised 12 million dollars in just ten days! That's over one million dollars a day!

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/humboldt-broncos-fundraising-details-announced-1.4622226

That kinda result really gets media attention and that's what we want to be doing too...
 
Autolite said:
Sending out the message that fellow gun, home and property owners are willing to help each other out in this kind of situation is as important as the money itself. I'm still hoping that this FundRazr campaign will eventually take off. The potential is certainly there. Consider that the GoFunMe campaign for the Humboldt tragedy raised 12 million dollars in just ten days! That's over one million dollars a day!

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/humboldt-broncos-fundraising-details-announced-1.4622226

That kinda result really gets media attention and that's what we want to be doing too...
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Yeah I put my donation in but only because I heard about it here. The CBC has a coast to coast audience but would NEVER tell us that there was some legal defense fund for an evil murdering gun owner.
 
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