Sure would make the firing line on the rifle range more hospitable. Shooting a brake equipped rifle next to someone else shooting interferes with their shooting. I won't shoot mine next to someone, but I realize some ranges get crowded and people do.
Suppressors are illegal in Canada
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Logic based on experience and knowledge.
The baddies won't do it legally or on any large scale if I have my way.
Flawed is comparing weed to suppressors !
Hey maybe we can get concealed carry for our suppressed weapons as part of the deal !
Logic based on experience and knowledge.
The baddies won't do it legally or on any large scale if I have my way.
Flawed is comparing weed to suppressors ! f:
Hey maybe we can get concealed carry for our suppressed weapons as part of the deal !
Damn straight!
Some of these fools advocate for the type of symbiotic relationship that Texas Sheriffs share with their citizenry!
Sir Robert Peel was a homosexual!!
We need North Korean style policing in Canada!!
Who's with me??
An interesting overview of suppressor illegality from a knowledgeable Australian journalist:
https://sportingshooter.com.au/news/the-laws-of-suppression-and-why-australians-cant-use-silencers/
https://sportingshooter.com.au/news/the-laws-of-suppression-and-why-australians-cant-use-silencers/
Logic based on experience and knowledge.
The baddies won't do it legally or on any large scale if I have my way.
Flawed is comparing weed to suppressors !
Hey maybe we can get concealed carry for our suppressed weapons as part of the deal !
I guess the long gun registry saved lives too.
If they were allowed, I'd buy them...'cause I'm a gunnut, but practically I think they'd be more trouble than they're worth where handguns are concerned and probably only really useful/helpful for short barrelled shotguns and auto rifles (5.56/.308).
Call me weird, but I'm always a little incensed whenever I see grandad's 30-30 '94 in black tacticool furniture and a can...kinda like stuffing a 350ci Chevy in a model A Ford?
Call me weird, but I'm always a little incensed whenever I see grandad's 30-30 '94 in black tacticool furniture and a can...kinda like stuffing a 350ci Chevy in a model A Ford?
I really hope another strong and organized push for legalization of supressors happens after the Turd is gone. Maybe even one day the firearms act gets a total revamp for the better. Hope the CPC will recognize the OIC ban is based on lies and overturn it. Allow law abiding people to own pistols and revolvers too.
If i have background noise of some kind going on around me it's not that bad anymore, but if I'm out in nature with the birds gently chirping and the wind rustling through the leaves that incessant ringing in my ears....well it's just not the same anymore. Probably never will be again. It's like a theft of small joy. Oh well, what do you do? Turn up the radio!!
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The full auto mp5 is the thing that will be hard to get, not the easily made (or bought off amazon, yes) sound moderator made of a hollow tube of metal lol. Thats the point of the ccfr video, sound moderators ARE NOT GUNS they literally dont do anything except protect hearing.
Here in Poland suppressors are just a thing you can buy, like any other thing you can buy. My buddy has industry connections so he was able to get one for me at a good price. I picked it up from him at a pizzeria...
Did I mention machine guns? We got those too... I picked up my second machine gun in a parking lot, for cash...
But the really funny thing is... with suppressors, machine guns, gun stores and shooting ranges galore (I think there are at least 20 gun ranges in town), there are like ZERO shootings in this country. Maybe some dispute between some old drunkards using black powder revolvers...
And remember, in Poland, there are hidden weapons EVERYWHERE. There are stories in the news practically every week about how "Babcia's" old house was getting renovated and they found some guns, or ammo or grenades hidden in the floors or in the walls... and after WW2 people hid weapons all over the country in anticipation of fighting the communist occupiers. Heck when you go fishing, you have just as good of a chance as "catching" an MG42 as a fish... sometimes you might even catch a PANTHER.
Plus during the communist era, it was no problem to bribe soldiers with vodka and cigarettes for weapons...
And STILL no mass shootings, no terrorist attacks, nothing! Y'all need to find out what the "Polish Secret" is...
Here, some guns that escaped Trudeau... first, a suppressed C7A2!
As a person who was once tasked with locating a full-auto MP5, I can tell you that getting anything full auto out of a German company is a real PIA, on account of all the German export regulations. Look at all the issues that popped up with supplying German-origin weapons to Ukraine. And they are expensive as all hell. Eventually we cobbled something together using a Pakistani Ordnance MP5, and some other HK products we had lying around.
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See... "Fishing" in Poland...
2003: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v62WFFseneg
And again a few days ago! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgbZ-f_iG8c
Did I mention machine guns? We got those too... I picked up my second machine gun in a parking lot, for cash...
But the really funny thing is... with suppressors, machine guns, gun stores and shooting ranges galore (I think there are at least 20 gun ranges in town), there are like ZERO shootings in this country. Maybe some dispute between some old drunkards using black powder revolvers...
And remember, in Poland, there are hidden weapons EVERYWHERE. There are stories in the news practically every week about how "Babcia's" old house was getting renovated and they found some guns, or ammo or grenades hidden in the floors or in the walls... and after WW2 people hid weapons all over the country in anticipation of fighting the communist occupiers. Heck when you go fishing, you have just as good of a chance as "catching" an MG42 as a fish... sometimes you might even catch a PANTHER.
Plus during the communist era, it was no problem to bribe soldiers with vodka and cigarettes for weapons...
And STILL no mass shootings, no terrorist attacks, nothing! Y'all need to find out what the "Polish Secret" is...
Here, some guns that escaped Trudeau... first, a suppressed C7A2!
As a person who was once tasked with locating a full-auto MP5, I can tell you that getting anything full auto out of a German company is a real PIA, on account of all the German export regulations. Look at all the issues that popped up with supplying German-origin weapons to Ukraine. And they are expensive as all hell. Eventually we cobbled something together using a Pakistani Ordnance MP5, and some other HK products we had lying around.
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See... "Fishing" in Poland...
2003: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v62WFFseneg
And again a few days ago! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgbZ-f_iG8c
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You're shooting a rifle indoors, you're gonna get the concussion no matter what. I'm glad the indoor ranges I shoot at were only rated for handguns.
The other point they made was they still sound like guns and are not silent. Not true depending on the effort made to suppress.
The most noise made by the MP5SD is the action operating. Now imagine a locked bolt single shot.
This sort of statement is the kind one hears from people who have either not been present at such tests, or who have suffered significant hearing loss. No gun is 'silent,' period, ever. Don't care if it's a sub-500fps PCP with a massive suppressor launching a 7gr pellet, a .300blk subsonic with a state-of-the-art suppressor, or anything between. 'Silent' has a meaning, and noise is not part of that meaning. Further, the MP5SD makes plenty of noise when shooting subsonics, as demonstrated in Ian McCollum's video. Go to the 4 minute mark, make sure your computer speakers are working, and listen.
Is that 'silent'? Not even remotely. Hearing safe? Probably. But that's not saying much. Anything under 135dB or so is well within the range considered hearing safe among firearms experts, but shooting it enough will eventually cause hearing damage, because anything above about 90dB will eventually cause hearing damage. And every 3dB is a doubling of sound energy. Do the math. It's not pretty. Even if that MP5 is getting down below 120dB, into suppressed subsonic .22lr territory, that's still not truly safe to shoot for long periods. Fine for the odd session, but really not a good idea to keep it up year after year with lots of range trips and no earpro.
Have fired many thousands of rounds out of that weapon and it was a pleasure especially in a kill house. No ear protection.
Go shoot one or maybe watch the video without bias. Like the guy says in the video, brass hitting the ground and rounds impacting the berm.
And sometimes the intent is not to make it as silent as possible, just not sound like a gun shot.
"Without bias"? You mean like without the sort of bias Ian is demonstrating, where the sound of the shot is dramatically louder than the sound of the brass on the grass or the bullets hitting the berm? He's listening for those things, unconsciously filtering out the sound of the firearm itself, much as musicians do routinely when playing in large ensembles, or as one does when having a conversation with someone in a noisy club - it is essentially that we are able to focus our hearing, to discriminate between different sounds and find the ones which have meaning for us. In this case it is meaningful, of course, that one can in fact hear those other noises... but please don't forget that the MP5SD has never been reported as emitting less sound pressure than 125dB, even with the quietest of subsonic loads. And 125dB is loud. Just not as loud as the firearm would be if fired without the suppressor mounted, which would be well in excess of 155dB, territory where hearing damage can happen with a single shot fired.
Exact use of language becomes important in technical matters. More so in a case like this, where not only subjective hearing, but also legal elements and propaganda by highly motivated parties becomes involved. If you casually say that an MP5SD shooting subsonics is 'silent' then you can count on that sort of statement being used to further justify banning of suppressors. They'll just throw it on the heap of out of context, manipulated, and otherwise contorted information. A suppressed 9mm firearm with a good suppressor on it, shooting subsonic ammunition, is indeed a lot quieter than a legal, unsuppressed Canadian firearm shooting the same ammunition. But it is far, FAR from silent.
Gangsters smuggle handguns and rifles into Canada easily, so why don't they smuggle suppressors in? Probably, average gangsters are just not interested in them and there's no demand. Make them PAL required item, just like body armor. It's a PPE.
Gangsters don't want suppressors because they like to keep their handguns concealed. It's a lot harder to conceal a Glock with a 'booster' and 6" or longer suppressor mounted. So why bother? Besides, acquiring one legally in the USA takes a long time and submitting paperwork and a background check.
They want no part of that.
They want no part of that.
