Is there anything other than cost that is stopping people in Canada from doing the same thing?
Canada... WAKE UP.
Suppressors?
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Is there anything other than cost that is stopping people in Canada from doing the same thing?
Canada... WAKE UP.
What do you mean? I won't instantly be an assassin for hire with a suppressor? Not interested anymore.
Kidding. I am actually very serious about pursuing this for the right to protect my already very damaged hearing from my life of exposure to very loud things. I take my hearing very seriously but the highest available hearing protection available is 29dB. The average exposure far exceeds that rating of hearing protection available on the market today. Thus why reduction at the source is the only solution.
Kidding. I am actually very serious about pursuing this for the right to protect my already very damaged hearing from my life of exposure to very loud things. I take my hearing very seriously but the highest available hearing protection available is 29dB. The average exposure far exceeds that rating of hearing protection available on the market today. Thus why reduction at the source is the only solution.
I could care less about hearing protection and noise pollution reduction.
It's the law that prohibits them in the first place that is irrational. I shouldn't need to rationalize something that is ALREADY irrational. Just like the whole damn Firearms Act.
That is the bottom line here.
I agree completely about the firearms act. I would like to see a complete revision of the entire act but I would be also afraid to what then may occur. Working within the act to change/revise it in a way suitable to ours needs I think is entirely possible.
Criminals are criminals and will continue to violate every known regulation but us law abiding citizens are the once forced to suffer under the burden of confusing irrational regulations. I wish elected officials were actually held accountable for their actions just as we are for ours.
Criminals are criminals and will continue to violate every known regulation but us law abiding citizens are the once forced to suffer under the burden of confusing irrational regulations. I wish elected officials were actually held accountable for their actions just as we are for ours.
That's not gonna happen, gun-friendly associations just lost 3 seats on whatever commission recently in favor LEO officials (certainly not gun-friendly). Unless a big societal change, we are riding to a quite dark future...
use subsonic ammunition as a start
Remember the long gun registry? Yeah. Very difficult to do, but not hopeless. - dan
What about us, law-abiding paisants, who couldn't justify it by arguing it would be for their job, but rather only for practice and competitive shooting? How did it work out for the common fella in England?
Perhaps we all become range employees
What about us, law-abiding paisants, who couldn't justify it by arguing it would be for their job, but rather only for practice and competitive shooting? How did it work out for the common fella in England?
Perhaps we all become range employees
The UK case was fought and won on the basis of the OH&S laws. Once it was won the argument that civilians should be able to have the same access to a piece of safety gear during their own time as they would at work was just obvious.
This is what we need to do here in Canada.
If I win $20,000,000 this weekend, I will start the fight.
Suppressors being illegal is about as smart as banning hearing protection.
They are also very easy to build with the right tools.
A guy should track down the Brit lawyers that won that, and get them in touch with our orgs.
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I remember seeing a video (it was a Scandinavian country) and they likened shooting without a suppressor is like driving a car without a muffler. Now if we could only get the general public and the government to see it logically.
I have fired suppressed rifles (precision .308). I could comfortably shoot without hearing protection and the recoil was hardly noticeable. I've also tried Surefire suppressors on a C-8 and it seemed to make no difference at all in terms of noise or felt recoil (not much recoil un-suppressed).
I have fired suppressed rifles (precision .308). I could comfortably shoot without hearing protection and the recoil was hardly noticeable. I've also tried Surefire suppressors on a C-8 and it seemed to make no difference at all in terms of noise or felt recoil (not much recoil un-suppressed).
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Sadly, I think our gun loby would find this politically very unpalatable at the present moment. Asfterall, their ranks were decimated from the Firearms Advisory Committee just recently after having made some suggestions that were sensible and others that ignored the political implications of such changes.
Furthermore, I believe this would be a hard sell to the majority of the membership of the orgs because they're generally made up of fuds who often don't see outside their own self-interests and these orgs are likely to face strong internal resistance in supporting such measures.
As evidenced by comments made by some on CGN, the firearms community is divided on this very topic and I don't personally see the orgs wasting time, energy, or resources to back measures that don't have wide spread appeal or a reasonable chance for success. It's going to be a very tough sell to get something legal for sale that has been banned for over 75 years now.
Having said that, has anyone ever approached the orgs to see if they would be interested in backing this if an effort was made to promote it?
use subsonic ammunition as a start
Subsonic ammo is not nearly as quiet at the muzzle as you might think. Depending on the caliber it only drops about 5-8 dB without a suppressor.
I can assure you that a suppressed FA has considerably less recoil than un-suppressed.
The reason the autoloader seemed to be loud to you is that the operator still experiences the noise and crap coming out the ejection port and the suppressor actually enhances that. From the side or front a suppressor will make any firearm considerably quieter.
I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt recoil IS affected. While you may not notice it with a small caliber like 5.56x45, the difference on a .338 Lapua or .50 Cal is more than noticable. That being said my experience compares a suppressor to a muzzle break, not supressor to no muzzle break.
As far as noise goes (depending on the can) even older models make a 5.56x45 sound comparible to a .22LR
To add to the post above, the supressor only reduces the sound of weapon report. Supersonic ammo will still "crack" obviously. You just wont hear the "thump" created by the weapon system.
In my vast experience however I find the post above to be a little bit of an exageration... while the kick comes more "straight back" into the shoulder, after firing 5.56 daily on operations with no ear defense (and a suppressor) I damn near dropped my carbine after taking the supressor off and forgetting I had done so. Incredible difference for the operator, allowing for better comms as well between pers using supressors.
As far as noise goes (depending on the can) even older models make a 5.56x45 sound comparible to a .22LR
To add to the post above, the supressor only reduces the sound of weapon report. Supersonic ammo will still "crack" obviously. You just wont hear the "thump" created by the weapon system.
In my vast experience however I find the post above to be a little bit of an exageration... while the kick comes more "straight back" into the shoulder, after firing 5.56 daily on operations with no ear defense (and a suppressor) I damn near dropped my carbine after taking the supressor off and forgetting I had done so. Incredible difference for the operator, allowing for better comms as well between pers using supressors.
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There were no laws about switchblade knives until the movies gave them a bad rep. There is a documented case of one saving lives by freeing up jammed lifeboat on the Lusitannia, after it was torpedoed. Blame Hollywood: its the only place where suppressed guns go fffut!
As much as I am for the legal possesion of supressors lets not kid ourselves.... None of the gangbangers dropping spec fire in toronto are using them due to how hard they are to obtain. Even if we did legalize them it would be short lived due to some POS with a dime bag in his pocket, 10 rounds of all diff grains and manufacture and a ####ing suppressor. Part of the issue behind suppressors is the "hollywood" thug/criminal persona. unfortunatly the vast majority of sheep on this planet are in fact "educated" by hollywood.
