Surplus 9mm Ammo?

yyyyy said:
Wow. I am sure glad that my Glock didn't blow up or go kaboom after the 2000 rounds we shot during the course, without cleaning...

Myth....
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I know their is a myth about glocks blowing up, thats not at all what I am refering to. This paticular ammo was very hott and also very inconsistant from one round to another. From mild to extremely hot. I would'nt have shot it from any gun, glock or otherwise. Anyone who witnessed how this paticular ammo shot, and shot it regardless would deserve to have a kaboom. Im sure,like many things, surplus ammo differs between the sources, but this stuff was nasty. Buyer beware basicaly.
 
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NamTinker said:
Where do all these myths come from...
For "subgun" read "NATO".
9mm Glocks are rated for the 9mm NATO rounds - ALL NATO 9mm rounds. Check the specs - the pressure rating is higher than +P+.
Unless you screw up during reloading, nothing you can buy commercially can damage the gun - 9mm NATO is not commonly available anyway.

In short: any commercially bought ammo is fine, any military ammo is fine. Reloads are fine - as long as you are careful, stick to the tables, and use proper bullets.

I've shot 25k+ rounds through my private G19 over the last 10 years, approx 10k of NATO, the rest - reloads with anything from 125-147gr lead - no issues, no FTF, no leading.
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Specs are specs, and then there is a documented history of Glock kabooms with high-pressure ammo. It's not a "myth" or a clandestine campaign to besmirch Gaston Glock...the fact of the matter is that Glocks have less chamber support than most other pistols and you didn't need a PhD to figure out why high pressure + poor chamber support = potential for trouble. If you're still not convinced, have a look here:

http://www.thegunzone.com/glock/glock-kb-faq.html
 
Garand said:
capp325 said:
Keep in mind that "surplus" military 9mm is often subgun ammo, which is much hotter than regular commercial rounds. /QUOTE]

Please identify the country that does this!
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Israel used to. Some European countries had hot batches made up for cold weather use in subguns.

The ammo would only have a military designation headstamp (ie, no 9mm, or 9mm Para, or manufacturer, etc) just a military number and a + in a circle.

The high pressure 9mm is basically a myth in Canada because so little of it actually made it to market. But everyone knows how myths spread and get bigger.
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Geoff B said:
Reloading will save about 40% of your ammo costs. If you fire only a few hundred a year, stay with factory. I figure I "paid off" a Dillon 650 in about 18 months.

A note on surplus ammo - some is berdan primed (two primer holes) and can't be reloaded in the usual manner.
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How much do you shoot a year? I have only shot a bout 100 rounds of 9mm but i have only had the gun for 3 weeks. I do see myself shooting ALOT.

After seeing that press in action on youtube, it seems that is the only way to go. Great more money i don't have...:D
 
i shudder to think of all the thousands of rounds i've put through the lee 1000 since 1990
consider if you will , i have a beretta 92, and an uzi- before the restrictions came through 15 rounds in the beretta, and 25 or 32 in the uzi- used to exercise those each once a week, 3 mags in the beretta, and 6 mags in the uzi- had it since 1990, and all i ever did was replace one of the ratchet gears -and it still runs
 
WOW... After two people mentioned/recommended COMBAT MASTERS for ammo, I just called to place an order and got brushed off... I wanted to ask a few questions about his product, He didn't care. I wanted to place a sizable order, He didn't care... What I got was I'm not interested in small orders, and I don't have time to talk to you and basically hung up... WOW really great customer service. He didn't ask for my name & number to call me back, he wouldn't even tell me if there was another place I could get his product... BTW I was very friendly and polite... That experience really pissed me off, what a jackass! I guess he forgot where he came from it was the small customers that got him where he is today... I was prepared to buy about 3-5 thousand rounds but I guess I'm too insignificant... That jus put me in a ####y mood, what a ####!!!!
 
50calshooter said:
WOW... After two people mentioned/recommended COMBAT MASTERS for ammo, I just called to place an order and got brushed off... I wanted to ask a few questions about his product, He didn't care. I wanted to place a sizable order, He didn't care... What I got was I'm not interested in small orders, and I don't have time to talk to you and basically hung up... WOW really great customer service. He didn't ask for my name & number to call me back, he wouldn't even tell me if there was another place I could get his product... BTW I was very friendly and polite... That experience really pissed me off, what a jackass! I guess he forgot where he came from it was the small customers that got him where he is today... I was prepared to buy about 3-5 thousand rounds but I guess I'm too insignificant... That jus put me in a s**ty mood, what a ####!!!!
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I had sent him an email just after I heard about there name on here, He has not gotten back to me yet. After your experience i am guessing he will not even reply back to me. He has a list of places that sells his ammo on his website but my guess is its about the same price as everyone else after they mark it up.

Sucks having an experience like that after so many people hype it up...
 
Thats a really odd response from him, first time I ever talked to him he was super friendly, and when I arranged to pick up a couple cases of 9mm he was also really nice.
 
It's still a good product. I've gone through a few thousand rounds without any problems. Here's a list of where you can buy it.

The Shooters Edge, Blackfoot Trail, Calgary, phone 720-4867
Pro-line Shooter's II, 1426 - 9th, Ave., SE Calgary, AB 265-6666
MilArm Co. Ltd., 10769 - 99 Street, Edmonton, AB 780-424-5281
Wild West Shooting Centre, West Edmonton Mall
W.C. Ammo Sales, Vauxhall, AB (IPSC) walter.hornby@gmail.com
Wood Joynt, Brandon, MB
Del Selin's Gunsmithing, Vernon, B.C.

I agree that he is not great to deal with but it's great ammo. He should probably just make it official and refuse to sell loaded ammo to individuals and just deal with his resellers.
 
ya, the first 1000 rounds I went through, I got in 50 round boxes from Proline, then they had a dryspell in July last year where they didnt have any 9mm in stock, so I got the 2 cases of it.
 
If you're going to shoot high volumes, reloading is the way to go. It's not just that it's cheaper (which it is...a lot...even with 9mm) it gives you more control of your ammunition supply. A lot of guys here can't shoot in the winter, so they'll make up 5-10,000 rounds in winter. I can shoot year round, so it allows me to spread the costs out, I'll buy powder one week, primers the next, bullets after that. It's like buying ammo on an installment plan and means you are never out of supplies. As far as costs go; a pound of W231 approx $30-$40, 1000 primers $40, and 1,000 9mm 124gr. $90. 9mm brass lasts well if loaded reasonably (think 5 or 6 per casing). I usually buy 100 rounds of cheap factory per month to keep the brass fresh. So approximately $170 per 1,000 not counting brass. I'll typically go through that in 4-6 weeks, depending on my work schedule. I've actually gone through 700 rounds in an afternoon - if I didn't reload, there's just no way I could do that. Also don't forget that ammunition supplies are up and down these days, except at my house :D
 
ian_in_vic said:
If you're going to shoot high volumes, reloading is the way to go. It's not just that it's cheaper (which it is...a lot...even with 9mm) it gives you more control of your ammunition supply. A lot of guys here can't shoot in the winter, so they'll make up 5-10,000 rounds in winter. I can shoot year round, so it allows me to spread the costs out, I'll buy powder one week, primers the next, bullets after that. It's like buying ammo on an installment plan and means you are never out of supplies. As far as costs go; a pound of W231 approx $30-$40, 1000 primers $40, and 1,000 9mm 124gr. $90. 9mm brass lasts well if loaded reasonably (think 5 or 6 per casing). I usually buy 100 rounds of cheap factory per month to keep the brass fresh. So approximately $170 per 1,000 not counting brass. I'll typically go through that in 4-6 weeks, depending on my work schedule. I've actually gone through 700 rounds in an afternoon - if I didn't reload, there's just no way I could do that. Also don't forget that ammunition supplies are up and down these days, except at my house :D
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" So approximately $170 per 1,000 not counting brass."

How much is your time worth?
 
With a progressive press that's not a ton of time, maybe 3 hours absolute max. I view it as part of the hobby, it's actually very relaxing and stress reducing :) Oh yes, I shoot 45 ACP as well, the savings are more important there.
 
Like Ian, I have tons of time.... not money!

I usually get 12 to 20 reloads out of my brass though, and my costs on bullets are $67, Primers $44, Tite Group $28 (divide by half as 1lb makes 2000 rnds) and I can usually get 1000 1xf brass for under $40... I am only looking at $125 per 1000, and every say 10 loads I'm into it for another $40.... so to average it out...... $135.00 for 1000 rnds of 9mm.

Cheapest I can find factory ammo (around here) is $17.50 per 50(usually $20.99)........ that is $350 per 1000.......or $420 per 1000...... You do the math. Its cheaper to reload!!!

I am currently using a single stage to do this... it sure eats up hours, but not dollars!

Cheers
 
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