SVT40's with FAKE Nazi Markings

That stamp doesn't look like any Third Reich stamp I have seen. I have had the privledge of owning two Kar98ks, one of which is still with me and she is a nicely marked 1940 Kar98k with intact birds. I would imagine the stamp on any captured rifles would closely resemble the style of stamp found on Kar98ks of the period but that is just my thoughts.

I wish we had a time machine :).

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Anyone with half a eyeball left in their head can tell that nazi eagle mark is fake, for Gawds sake a six year old would spot that! How blatant can people be, taking advantage of genuine SVT lovers. Where's that barfing smilie when ya need him, I feel sick to me guts.:mad:
 
What I find funny is 10% of what actually happened east of poland is known & yet people feel comfortable speaking in absolutes. What repair depot was responsible for small arms repair for the army group b in dec 41? Did they really ship their broken stuff to poland? How about june 42? Sure stuff has been faked & still is but if you call every new mark you see fake how are you going to learn anything new?
 
In my humble opinion after having dealt hundreds of thousand Nazi weapons of WW-11
is that these markings are a very poor fake.

There are fakes out there that are excellent, but these ??

Only my opinion

John
 
desporterizer said:
What I find funny is 10% of what actually happened east of poland is known & yet people feel comfortable speaking in absolutes. What repair depot was responsible for small arms repair for the army group b in dec 41? Did they really ship their broken stuff to poland? How about june 42? Sure stuff has been faked & still is but if you call every new mark you see fake how are you going to learn anything new?
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Actually, the Heereswaffenampt was the most regulated agency in the Nazi government. Their business was standardization - to include their stamps. There is not much by way of variation.
 
I might consider offers on the 259's. I came across two of these 4-5 years ago and sold one two years ago for around $600. I still have one in my collection.

How many of these FAKES have surfaced so far? Anyone else?
It sounds like 4.
He just sold 2. (Rifle 1 and 2 in the ad)
He sold another one for $600 2 years ago.
He kept one for his personal collection.

Coyote Ugly said:
Just so no one gets burnt, read it here:

http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?5781-SVT-with-nazi-proofs

The ad on CGN, the first two listed:

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=785807

SVT's (All Sold or SPF's)

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Sorting has taken me two nights (8+ hours), I only thought it would take one night....I am still not done. The rifles all seem to be from 1940 and 1941 - No 1944 or 1945's
The top row pretty much pre-sold, but the second row had some unique/rare rifles including a sniper, some 259R's, etc. The last row still needs to be sorted/listed.
All rifles come with sling, oiler, tool bag, 3x tools and pouch.
Shipping is extra and generally costs $35.00
I might consider offers on the 259's. I came across two of these 4-5 years ago and sold one two years ago for around $600. I still have one in my collection.EMT is King and I am not interested in Trades.

Rifle 1: SPF
SVT Data Sheet (259r) SPF
Designation: SVT40 259r
Manufacture: Ishevsk (Wehrmacht Capture Mark - Reich Eagle)
Year of Production: 1940 Serial:__4142
Side of Receiver: Notched for Sniper Rail
Rear top of Receiver: Standard
Bolt Carrier: Red Plum
Muzzle Brake: 12 Port
Front Barrel Band: Swivel
Trigger Guard: Narrow
Stock: Standard Arctic Birch _+_ (Tiger Stripe Birch)
Dual Safety Cut: No
Cartouche: Sanded
Finish: Shellac
Wrist Repair Bolt: Yes
Stock Patches: None
Magazine: SVT40
http://s787.photobucket.com/albums/y...urrent=032.jpg
http://s787.photobucket.com/albums/y...rent=009-2.jpg

Rifle 2 SPF
SVT Data Sheet (259r) SPF
Designation: SVT40 259r
Manufacture: Tula (Wehrmacht Capture Mark - Reich Eagle)
Year of Production: 1941 Serial:__3640
Side of Receiver: Notched for Sniper Rail
Rear top of Receiver: Standard
Bolt Carrier: Black
Muzzle Brake: 12 Port
Front Barrel Band: Swivel
Trigger Guard: Narrow
Stock: Standard Arctic Birch
Dual Safety Cut: Yes
Cartouche: Sanded
Finish: Shellac
Wrist Repair Bolt: Yes
Stock Patches: One
Magazine: SVT40
http://s787.photobucket.com/albums/y...urrent=031.jpg
http://s787.photobucket.com/albums/y...rent=013-2.jpg

Rifle 3 Sold
SVT Data Sheet Sniper Sold (With all the re-furb'd SVT scopes on recently imported 91/30's - it would be pretty easy to finish this sniper right)
Designation: SVT40
Manufacture: Tula (Export Marked) (Bore Good-Excellent)
Year of Production: 1941 Serial:__1284
Side of Receiver: Notched for Sniper Rail
Rear top of Receiver: Notched for Sniper
Bolt Carrier: Red Plum
Muzzle Brake: 12 Port
Front Barrel Band: Swivel
Trigger Guard: Wide
Stock: Standard Arctic Birch
Dual Safety Cut: No
Cartouche: Sanded
Finish: Shellac
Wrist Repair Bolt: Yes
Stock Patches: One (middle side butt stock - Bakelite Patch (Shrapnel Damage?)
Magazine: SVT38 (Tabbed)____ SVT40____ Number (Highlight): 1 2 3
Takedown Wrench: SVT38____ SVT40____ SVT40 Special____ Repro____
Stock Take down tool: Yes____ No____
http://s787.photobucket.com/albums/y...rent=019-2.jpg

Rifle 4 SPF
SVT Data Sheet SPF
Designation: SVT40
Manufacture: Tula
Year of Production: 1941 Serial:__1950
Side of Receiver: Notched for Sniper Rail
Rear top of Receiver: Standard
Bolt Carrier: Red Plum
Muzzle Brake: 12 Port
Front Barrel Band: Swivel
Trigger Guard: Narrow
Stock: Standard Arctic Birch
Dual Safety Cut: No
Cartouche: CCCP Roundel-Sanded
Finish: Shellac
Wrist Repair Bolt: Yes
Stock Patches (Highlight): None
Magazine: SVT40
http://s787.photobucket.com/albums/y...rent=006-2.jpg

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And I am sure all of their documentation survived intact & accounted for every single ad-hoc ramshakle arms repair operation on the eastern front for 4yrs. It should be easy then to find the serials for every repaired svt, I am sure they where recorded as a matter of course.
 
Another possibility is that the said rifles were captured right at the end of the war in 1945... probably in Berlin. By then, the Germans were so hard pressed for battle rifles (any rifles) that they were assembling stuff out of unserviceable firearms and captured junk.

It is possible that this stamp was carved out in some Berlin bunker under bombardment and was applied to any salvaged weaponry they could muster (stamps would've been important for propaganda purposes, to show that Germany was still strong and fighting back with enemy-captured arms). As such, one could expect such stamps to be non-standardized and of poor quality. By the end of the war, firearms factories in Germany were either captured or bombarded, so the gunsmiths of fortune (probably some appointed army privates) would've had to improvise.

I'm not saying this is the case with these rifles... but it's entirely possible. At the end of the war, any recaptured rifles of Russian origin would be put back into Russian-owned arsenals and refurbished with the rest. Hence why Agentcq's story might hold water of him finding those rifles in an arsenal crate.

Here's an example of those late 1945 "last ditch" rifles... the Volksgewehr VG1 (not pretty, but VERY expensive nowadays due to the history behind it):

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Now, although I've never seen one in real life, I doubt the VG-1 would have 1930-1940 K98-quality proof marks on it, given the rush and conditions under which these were made... just a guess.

;)
 
5440fight said:
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Nope. The rifles could have been used in Berlin by Germans in 1945, sure. They also could have been handled by Herman Goering. The stamps are fake, regardless, so why pontificate further?
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Then I guess that carbon dating the surface metal inside the actual marking will be the only way to put this to rest once and for all... since no records could possibly exist to all the "last ditch" war effort possibilities out there.

:p
 
Little Green Men from Mars could have come down in their "German Made" UFO with those Fake "Martian Made" Nazi Stamps and stamped those rifles after May 1945 too! ;)

762mm said:
Another possibility is that the said rifles were captured right at the end of the war in 1945... probably in Berlin. By then, the Germans were so hard pressed for battle rifles (any rifles) that they were assembling stuff out of unserviceable firearms and captured junk.

It is possible that this stamp was carved out in some Berlin bunker under bombardment and was applied to any salvaged weaponry they could muster (stamps would've been important for propaganda purposes, to show that Germany was still strong and fighting back with enemy-captured arms). As such, one could expect such stamps to be non-standardized and of poor quality. By the end of the war, firearms factories in Germany were either captured or bombarded, so the gunsmiths of fortune (probably some appointed army privates) would've had to improvise.

I'm not saying this is the case with these rifles... but it's entirely possible. At the end of the war, any recaptured rifles of Russian origin would be put back into Russian-owned arsenals and refurbished with the rest. Hence why Agentcq's story might hold water of him finding those rifles in an arsenal crate.

Here's an example of those late 1945 "last ditch" rifles... the Volksgewehr VG1 (not pretty, but VERY expensive nowadays due to the history behind it):

vg1pic1.jpg


Now, although I've never seen one in real life, I doubt the VG-1 would have 1930-1940 K98-quality proof marks on it, given the rush and conditions under which these were made... just a guess.

;)
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5440fight said:
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Nope. The rifles could have been used in Berlin by Germans in 1945, sure. They also could have been handled by Herman Goering. The stamps are fake, regardless, so why pontificate further?
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Cause nobody knows why they were faked, reblued & then put in a crate with regular svts to be sold for no more than a hand pick svt. the crate probably came from tradex. Are they fakin? Ukranians 40 yr ago during state controlled rebuild programs fakin?
 
762mm said:
Then I guess that carbon dating the surface metal inside the actual marking will be the only way to put this to rest once and for all... since no records could possibly exist to all the "last ditch" war effort possibilities out there.

:p
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somehow I doubt that Germans in the final siege of Berlin had the stamping of rifles as the #1 priority...

Some dirty birds I have handy from the collection:

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K98k ax41 - one of the clearest I have, and on a Russian capture no less

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Tiny ones on the slide of a AC42 P-38

I've never seen anything as garish and obviously fake as on the pictured SVT-40...
 
And these arn't the only Fake Stamps out there:

Look at the Numrich Fake Nazi Stamp:

Hardened steel stamps for use on metal, wood or leather surfaces. These represent some of the typical inspector's marks found on WWII German arms such as the Mauser 98K rifle. Use for restoration purposes only. Manufactured by Numrich Gun Parts Corporation.

Nazi Eagle Stamp - Large Size

Hand Stamp, German Nazi Eagle - Use On Metal Wood Or Leather Surfaces.
Product No. 811660
$86.80


http://gunpartscorp.com/catalog/Detail.aspx?pid=811660&filter=amt&catid=0
 
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Coyote Ugly said:
Look at the Numrich Fake Nazi Stamp:

Hardened steel stamps for use on metal, wood or leather surfaces. These represent some of the typical inspector's marks found on WWII German arms such as the Mauser 98K rifle. Use for restoration purposes only. Manufactured by Numrich Gun Parts Corporation.

Nazi Eagle Stamp - Large Size

Hand Stamp, German Nazi Eagle - Use On Metal Wood Or Leather Surfaces.
Product No. 811660
$86.80


http://gunpartscorp.com/catalog/Detail.aspx?pid=811660&filter=amt&catid=0
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Totaly. That is it. Bummer.
 
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