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Superb revolvers but as far as getting into a Donnybrook with one...I'll pass.
Pass on the Luger too...as soon as it was brought out it was problematic...ftf.
A big bore Wheelgun would be my choice; I know some of you folks own Swish or Swedes...I expect you to defend their attributes.
But really...you'd turn down a bit old walloping 455 for a 7.5mm? If you were standing there in puttee's and helmet...looking down at a Swiss or a Webley on an armourer's bench in WW1? You take the 455...don't kid yourself.
A Swiss or a Swede is awesome for punching paper in the world we live in now...real deal though? Don't come to a gunfight with a gun that under 40 caliber is the saying IIRC
 
tokguy said:
Superb revolvers but as far as getting into a Donnybrook with one...I'll pass.
Pass on the Luger too...as soon as it was brought out it was problematic...ftf.
A big bore Wheelgun would be my choice; I know some of you folks own Swish or Swedes...I expect you to defend their attributes.
But really...you'd turn down a bit old walloping 455 for a 7.5mm? If you were standing there in puttee's and helmet...looking down at a Swiss or a Webley on an armourer's bench in WW1? You take the 455...don't kid yourself.
A Swiss or a Swede is awesome for punching paper in the world we live in now...real deal though? Don't come to a gunfight with a gun that under 40 caliber is the saying IIRC
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I wonder why the British military decided to quit with the .45 cal Webleys after WW1 and choose instead a weak .38 cal Webley as the replacement for WW2 and continued in use till the 1960's to use as a battlefield revolver before switching to a 9mm auto?

Why did the USA military drop the .45 calibre Colts and S&W's SA & DA revolvers and autos and choose a small calibre Italian (Eurpoean) handgun for all their forces?

Why did the police forces of the world previously mainly use .32 and .38 cal autos and revolvers for many decades before switching wholesale to 9mm autos if what they needed to put bad guys down was a large calibre cartridge?
 
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Well. I guess I have to wade in here...

The last batch of antique status Swiss revolvers that a true dealer brought in were being sold for $1800... Here's the thing about listing on a buy and sell, people want to dicker. I understand as I do it myself... So start a little higher and see where you end up. There are currently 3 offers on that gun at $1500... And I'll buy 10 at $1,000, please find them for me.

The swede is a truely rare piece. ond of the original 1500 made in Belgium and also one of 900 (both Swedish and Belgian made) revolvers Arsenal refurbished in WWII...oh and did I mention it was also used by the Swedish postal service? How many of those are still around? ....oh, and it comes with the original holster. That's a few bucks on its own.

Comparing either of these guns to a webley is laughable. These guns are light years ahead of the old Brit war pigs... And if I got into some kind of old timey shootout in a mud pit I'd want the Swiss M1882.
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Funny how these antique status Swiss 1882 revolvers are currently selling for similar amounts in the USA especially when considering exchange rates and the hassle involved in getting them safely into Canada, very few of the total manufacture of both of these fine revolvers qualify for antique status in Canada as few were made and now exist that were made pre 1898 -


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Price: $1,699.99

Metal Condition: Some Bluing Loss, user marks and Lite Surface Pitting
Wood Condition: Plastic in Good Condition
Bore Condition: Nice
Barrels: 6
Triggers: Single Trigger
Weight: 2.5 Lbs
Sights: Fixed Sights
Item Location: Scarborough, ME

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SWEDISH M1887 NAGANT REVOLVER
Inventory Number - Z19351


$1,195.00



7.5mm; 95% blue, very good bore, good grips, 4.5'' barrel, Manufactured in Sweden by Husqvarna. Refurbished blue metal finish with the strawed small parts polished bright, fitted with checkered wood grips. The numbered parts are matching.

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Swiss M.1882 Schmidt Revolver

Price: $1,175.00

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Item #: 976646289
Location: VA
SKU: Swiss M.1882 Schmidt Revolver


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$900.00 USD to floor + ($157.50) buyer's premium. + applicable fees & taxes.

This item SOLD at 2011 Sep 03 @ 08:24UTC-7 : PDT/MST (5 years ago)

Swiss Model 1882 Double Action Revolver, #9363, 7.5mm, 4-1/2'' octagon barrel, blue finish, early hard rubber grips with Swiss cross.
 
tokguy said:
Superb revolvers but as far as getting into a Donnybrook with one...I'll pass.
Pass on the Luger too...as soon as it was brought out it was problematic...ftf.
A big bore Wheelgun would be my choice; I know some of you folks own Swish or Swedes...I expect you to defend their attributes.
But really...you'd turn down a bit old walloping 455 for a 7.5mm? If you were standing there in puttee's and helmet...looking down at a Swiss or a Webley on an armourer's bench in WW1? You take the 455...don't kid yourself.
A Swiss or a Swede is awesome for punching paper in the world we live in now...real deal though? Don't come to a gunfight with a gun that under 40 caliber is the saying IIRC
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Dude; I've owned numerous antique handguns. And yes, I turned down and sold several Webleys! I have a real basis from which to make a comparison. You really are entertaining though :)
 
Not that I need to defend my preferences, and I certainly don't need to "help sell" antique handguns as fine as Swiss and Swedish made revolvers, but in terms of power...

my light 3.3 grain Trail Boss handloads easily throw 100 grain lead wadcutters clear through 4x4 fence posts at 15 meters, and guess what? The bullets actually hit the target every time! :)

I don't know about some of you, but I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of that! These are not "Nancy boy" war toys. These are the real deal.

Big and slow or light and fast. Pros and Cons to both.
 
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All fine points regarding caliber and power factor. Doesn't matter how big is the bore, its how many rounds are in the chambers and most important if revolver is cocked with live round and ready to fire. With this 7 shot revolver wins over 6 shot. and 8 over 7 .When last round is fired, shooter is left unarmed until he reloads. However only M1895 Nagant can be fired continuously without ever leaving shooter armless. This is accomplished by opening the loading gate and ejecting the spent case then placing in its spot loaded round all while revolver is cocked with next round and with finger on the trigger. This can be done until shooter runs out of ammo or firefight is over.
None of above mentioned in this thread revolvers are capable of doing this. This is why 1895 is 7 shot and its why it uses this odd duck cartridge and why it was in service as long as it was.
 
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Deuce-deuce said:
Well. I guess I have to wade in here...

The last batch of antique status Swiss revolvers that a true dealer brought in were being sold for $1800... Here's the thing about listing on a buy and sell, people want to dicker. I understand as I do it myself... So start a little higher and see where you end up. There are currently 3 offers on that gun at $1500... And I'll buy 10 at $1,000, please find them for me.

The swede is a truely rare piece. ond of the original 1500 made in Belgium and also one of 900 (both Swedish and Belgian made) revolvers Arsenal refurbished in WWII...oh and did I mention it was also used by the Swedish postal service? How many of those are still around? ....oh, and it comes with the original holster. That's a few bucks on its own.

Comparing either of these guns to a webley is laughable. These guns are light years ahead of the old Brit war pigs... And if I got into some kind of old timey shootout in a mud pit I'd want the Swiss M1882.
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Don't dicker with the "I want everything SUPER cheap, plus a BJ please, EE crowd". Everything I post on EE sells quickly or eventually (because I don't sell junk). What you are selling are gems...
 
gewehr76 said:
All fine points regarding caliber and power factor. Doesn't matter how big is the bore, its how many rounds are in the chambers and most important if revolver is cocked with live round and ready to fire. With this 7 shot revolver wins over 6 shot. and 8 over 7 .When last round is fired, shooter is left unarmed until he reloads. However only M1895 Nagant can be fired continuously without ever leaving shooter armless. This is accomplished by opening the loading gate and ejecting the spent case then placing in its spot loaded round all while revolver is cocked with next round and with finger on the trigger. This can be done until shooter runs out of ammo or firefight is over.
None of above mentioned in this thread revolvers are capable of doing this. This is why 1895 is 7 shot and its why it uses this odd duck cartridge and why it was in service as long as it was.
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Agreed on most points. I am actually looking for an antique status Russian Nagant. They are a bit crude, and not overly accurate, but still nice to own and shoot. :)
 
mkrnel said:
I wonder why the British military decided to quit with the .45 cal Webleys after WW1 and choose instead a weak .38 cal Webley as the replacement for WW2 and continued in use till the 1960's to use as a battlefield revolver before switching to a 9mm auto?

Why did the USA military drop the .45 calibre Colts and S&W's SA & DA revolvers and autos and choose a small calibre Italian (Eurpoean) handgun for all their forces?

Why did the police forces of the world previously mainly use .32 and .38 cal autos and revolvers for many decades before switching wholesale to 9mm autos if what they needed to put bad guys down was a large calibre cartridge?
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yep, yep, and yep. Good points!
 
The Kurgan said:
Agreed on most points. I am actually looking for an antique status Russian Nagant. They are a bit crude, and not overly accurate, but still nice to own and shoot. :)
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I would absolutely love to get my hands on an antique Russian Nagant, I don't think more than an handful of them qualify though if I recall correctly.
 
Just for some food for thought:

"In World War II, the Swiss had defenses no other country had. Let's begin with the rifle in every home combined with the Alpine terrain. When the German Kaiser asked in 1912 what the quarter of a million Swiss militiamen would do if invaded by a half million German soldiers, a Swiss replied: shoot twice and go home."

The Swiss focused on training, marksmanship, and above all, quality accurate guns. Again, do you really think the Swiss would employ a service revolver as late as the 1960's, if it wasn't effective and well designed? Don't think so!
 
Well experience may vary but all refurbished nagants went through hell and back. That says how tough they are. But when comparing one to another with same type of condition, they should shoot the same. Saying this I do shoot a lot my nagants and swiss 1929, apples and oranges I know, but nagants are more accurate :p
The Kurgan said:
Every restricted Russian Nagant I've fired wasn't particularly accurate (handloads or PPU factory ammo). Perhaps the dozen or so I fired had bad bores? :)
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gewehr76 said:
Well experience may vary but all refurbished nagants went through hell and back. That says how tough they are. But when comparing one to another with same type of condition, they should shoot the same. Saying this I do shoot a lot my nagants and swiss 1929, apples and oranges I know, but nagants are more accurate :p
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Have it your way lol :) They're all fine. Even the Webleys! I just know how very excellent the Swiss 1882's are and they deserve the cred.
 
gewehr76 said:
Plus I can shoot 7.5 Swiss in Nagant, but not other way around :cool:
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OK, now that is true! However, be careful, the Swiss bullet is .315" in diameter and so only shoot cast lead reloads. Factory (if you can find them, not) ammo is FMJ and therefore unsafe to fire out of a narrow Nagant bore.

However, lol, I have a patented technique to resize and shorten 7.62 Nagant rounds to fire out of my Swiss.

Or, I simply resize the 7.62 Nagant rounds, fire them out of my 310 Cadet, and then shorten the brass for use in my Swiss.

The factory PPU cartridges are so anemic. Better to handload anyway.

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Here's one of my typical 110 grain Swiss handloads (3.5 grains of Trail Boss inside resized 32-20 bras) next to a factory 7.62mm Nagant cartridge -- it was shortened, bullet lowered in case, and resized in a 30 Carbine die. Shoots fairly well out of my Swiss. However, I don't like putting too many FMJ's down my perfect Swiss bore.

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Speaking about PPU ammo.
I was meaning to ask you about what bullet they use, FMJ with exposed azz? Did you pull any apart?

The Kurgan said:
OK, now that is true! However, be careful, the Swiss bullet is .315" in diameter and so only shoot cast lead reloads. Factory (if you can find them, not) ammo is FMJ and therefore unsafe to fire out of a narrow Nagant bore.

However, lol, I have a patented technique to resize and shorten 7.62 Nagant rounds to fire out of my Swiss.

Or, I simply resize the 7.62 Nagant rounds, fire them out of my 310 Cadet, and then shorten the brass for use in my Swiss.

The factory PPU cartridges are so anemic. Better to handload anyway.
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Not yet, I simply drop them in their case and get rid of the bullet down the barrel! lol

Maybe I will tear one apart for you. Give me some time and I will let you know.

If I were a betting man, I would say that they are a true FMJ (no "exposed a$$")
 
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