Swiss Arms addicts sound off

Would be nice to do a side by side comparison of all popular black rifles in a controlled bench rest type environment... at various distances.

Otherwise it just sounds like personal opinion without any fact.
 
Ice-Pick,

"Sig had bad trigger", makes me wonder if;
1. You ever owned a Swiss Arms rifle?
2. You even know what a good trigger is?

When you make comments like this it will make people question your credibility.
Your entitled to your opinion but if you think that a Swiss Arms Rifle has a bad trigger then your opinion isn't worth much.

Rich
 
cjs said:
Would be nice to do a side by side comparison of all popular black rifles in a controlled bench rest type environment... at various distances.

Otherwise it just sounds like personal opinion without any fact.
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In most instances I try to keep to the facts.

I've compared my colts and Sig I use for service rifle side by side with the same ammo from 100m out to 500m, shooting positions ranged from a stable bagged position to prone mag-supported, kneeling, sitting and standing.
Ammo varried and included but not limited to: IVI ball, black hills, federal, remington and winchester regular ball and match ammo. Handloads that included varriations of components that included, but not limited to: 60Vmax, 62 ss109, 68 gr hornady BTHP, 69smk, 77gr smk, 70 VLD, 75HPBT, 75LTBs
regular and match primers from federal, CCI, Winchester and Remington, and hoops of various ball and extruded powders.

This wasn't a weekend of shooting, this has spanned several years, and several thousands of rounds - and it continues.....

Anyone that says the Sig trigger is crappy - they are full of it.
Anyone that says a Sig can't run with a better-than-rack-grade AR - is full of it.
Anyone that says that an AR (even a tricked out 26" barreled varmint gun) will annihilate a Sig for accuracy (or vise versa) is full of it.

Anyone who thinks they are gaining more accuracy by adding a 26" long, 2" thick bull barrel and PRS stock to their AR are truely on the path of diminutive returns, and imho fooling themselves...Grab what you got, get some really good ammo, and go practice;)
 
I love my two SA Black & Green. I own an AR as well, although I just love the feel of the SA over my AR. The SA's have a great mechanical feel to them where my AR, which is a entry level model Norinco feels so tinny or springy. I'm not sure if I'm explaining correctly but it's the best way for me to describe it.
 
All I know now is when I pick up an AR & shoot it, they work great for accuracy and everything else. But that being said a Sig is the best compared to most AR's, though I find them all the same in the sense, that they get the job done, shooting a few extra 100 rounds a year through the AR in my mind alleviates the difference. As far as achievements from a trained shootist. Hey from using my MR223 compared to all AR's i have ever used, I notice a huge difference yet it is the same with practice compared to shooting my Bushmaster in accomplishments at the end of the day.

When I have the money I will definitely pick up one of these rifles that is for sure.
 
I have shoot Sigs and AR's I agree with both Beltfed and Rich LPS about the Sig triggers ,Will a Sig run against a rack grade AR in a endurance test you bet and IMHO finish well ahead of an AR . As far as accuracy goes i don't know the only SIG I shot was a Select fire 10" barreled 552 and it was hoot very controllable much better than the Colt Commando 10" guns I have shot
 
Resistance is futile! :eek:

Sold the CQB... sucked to be me. :(
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Couldn't hold out long... happiness is a warm SAN! :D
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Anyone know if SAN is planning on manufacturing an updated Classic Green CQB based on the new SG553 system?

That would be a sure sell to this SAN junkie...

BTW, I have owned AR15s and enjoy them as well.

There shouldn't be a need to endlessly compare two similar products, they both have their merits.

Cheers!
 
greentips said:
With an AR, it is impossible to have an unloaded rifle with the safety on.

You will never be able to disengage the safety, pull the trigger with a dead-man click......unless it is a stoppage.
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Just a different concept, not saying that it's better or worse, just different.

But for me also a reason not to get an AR, I just can't get used to the idea that a safety can't be engaged.
 
I've had swiss arms guns.

They are nice and I appreciate the operating system but I just can't justify tying up that much money in a gun.

Now the magazines, that's different. Truly a collectors item these puppies hold their value.

I love my swiss mag collection...true aficionados of the genre will note the 'Kampfhamster' mod to the six examples with magpuls.

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I really like the Swiss Arms rifles I own. Great triggers, very accurate and superbly reliable. more pics fellas!

the pair I have:

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ShaneN. said:
Maybe we can start getting the model names when you post pics. I'd like to learn more about these.
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Or maybe, instead of pretending to be mentally handicapped, you scroll down the page and read one of the many threads dedicated to these rifles.
 
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Wow, so much mis-information........

Ice-Pick said:
And to the fellow that said no comparison to factory common lengh accuracy, my buddy just picked up an OLD Colt SP 1, it shoots better off a bag than the HK or SIG that i had did.
Probably cause of the really crappy triggers on the other two.

But the others looked cool, Jr. called the HK my Halo gun.

M.
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Quoted from a dealer in Switerland:

"You can`t find a better barrel then a original Swiss PE 90.
We shoot with the normal GP90 Swiss Military ammunition on a distance from 300 Meters circle from 50 mm with 10 shot. If you like it better...take Match Ammunition they shot circle from 35mm. Do you know a rifle that shoot better????"

Normal commerical factory ammo does not shoot too well out of a swiss arms. I've personally tested all of the common stuff with poor results. You need to reload or use the Swiss stuff if you want to see it's real accuracy potential.

Swiss Arms rifles are guaranteed to shoot 24 shots into 7x11cm at 300m. That is 24 shots into 1.3 MOA.

My reloads get me .95 MOA/5 shots and that is using regular (non-match) bullets. (Have not gotten the time to start testing out match bullets).

The 35mm at 300m quoted earlier by the Swiss dealer using Swiss Match is 0.41 MOA.



Here might be why (another quote from a Swiss dealer):

"The original Swiss Barrel has Kal: Field 5,54 Groove 5,68 and twist 1: 10
The Heavy Barrel and NATO Barrels has Kal: Field 5,57 and Groove 5,73 and twist 1: 7
They must be at the CIP Security Norm. (Bad thing)"


Swiss Arms barrels are spec'd different than normal .223 barrels. They have tighter dimentions than normal .223 spec barrels, and this could throw off your accuracy when using ammo tailored for the regular .223 spec barrels.

That is why in my opinion it is the reason that it is only the reloads and the Swiss RUAG that makes this rifle shoot good.
 
koalorka said:
Or maybe, instead of pretending to be mentally handicapped, you scroll down the page and read one of the many threads dedicated to these rifles.

FFS, is it just me or has the average quality of posters declined drastically over the last few months?
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Nothing says quality posts like having hissy fits when a newbie to the sport is trying to learn and do things the right way!

Don't forget you were once that newbie, champ.
 
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