With these things about to become expensive paperweights (due to unmentioned dumbassery), what difference does it make?
Swiss Arms doesn't have a chrome lined barrel! That sucks!
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With these things about to become expensive paperweights (due to unmentioned dumbassery), what difference does it make?
Not even close.
I had the 1:7 twist flat top target model and with American Eagle 55gr it was somewhere around 3moa. My biggest problem with the rifle and also the reason I sold it is the 5moa POI shift if you support it on the bipod then switch to supporting it just in front of the magwell. That is just too much flex for me. I have other non free floated semi auto rifles that might shift .5moa but 5moa is absurd.
I do wish I had tried some other types of ammo in it to see what it was really capable of doing with decent ammo but regardless of ammo used it wouldn't change the flex when using the bipod.
As to the chrome lining this thread started out about, nitriding is better in my opinion and from what I've researched it actually forms a harder surface than chrome.
Swiss Arms barrels are tested to something like 30000 rounds so I don't think many of us are going to wear one out unless you abuse the hell out of your rifle like Steve Janes or unless you run ammo with bi-metal jacketing.
Just because the manufacturer designs and testes it to function full of water doesn't mean it's good for the barrel to do it.
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The bipod is intended to keep the rifle our of the snow and mud when you put it down, just like the G36. Both platforms have been proven to have huge POI shifts when using the bipod. Kind of like shooting a non free float AR off a ruck, or sandbag.
A rifles grouping ability is usually limited by poor optics, poor ammunition and the nut behind the rifle who is trying to hammer a nail with a screwdriver.
A rifles grouping ability is usually limited by poor optics, poor ammunition and the nut behind the rifle who is trying to hammer a nail with a screwdriver.
Question- having just recently got one of these and noticing a bit of a POI shift when sighting in my optic with the bi-pod (annoying), do people usually sight in off of a bag then? The bipod did not seem to be working well for this purpose.
Swiss competition shooting is always done from the bipod. The rifle is designed to shoot GP90 ammo and does so very well. Members of the Swiss Shooting Club Tell (Calgary) routinely achieve 9-10 scores in competition with irons at 300 meters.
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Shoot it of the mag. The Swiss play a simple low stress game that is but a fraction of shooting service rifle.
If you zero off the bipod, your POA will not be the POI standing, kneeling or sitting. Lots of shooters have taken the easy road and tried to believe the bipod. They then pay for it points wise.
Lots of people can't group well enough to get a solid zero, they then look for a mechanical aid to get the rifle "zeroed" which is ignoring the fact that the rifle will only shoot as well as the shooter using it can shoot the rifle in any given position.
If you zero off the bipod, your POA will not be the POI standing, kneeling or sitting. Lots of shooters have taken the easy road and tried to believe the bipod. They then pay for it points wise.
Lots of people can't group well enough to get a solid zero, they then look for a mechanical aid to get the rifle "zeroed" which is ignoring the fact that the rifle will only shoot as well as the shooter using it can shoot the rifle in any given position.
I also have an SL8-4 and doesn't experience any POI shift no matter how I support it. Bipod, mag, or sandbag all give the same POI so since it is the same as the G36 what are you talking about.
I could have lived with the less than stellar accuracy from my most used ammunition but such a huge POI shift was not acceptable to me. I'm sure it could have done better with different ammo but the POI shift pissed me off. They are beautifully built rifles and I can't imagine anything on them breaking but I like accuracy and the SA didn't live up to my expectations. My HK and my AR will both shoot better groups and they don't care how you support them as long as the crosshairs are on target when you squeeze the trigger.
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We beat this to death with the German team last summer in Bisley.
It was easy enough to generate, for something that I don't know what I am taking about.
It was easy enough to generate, for something that I don't know what I am taking about.
The SL-8 has a hand guard that for the most part is essentially connected to the barrel extension area of the firearm - not floated, but pretty darned close. Sorry to break it to you, but while this does minimize the effects that can cause poi shift, the rifle is still is affected by them.
I'm with Gunner on this one. Nobody in their right mind shoots a non free floated rifle off a bipod when trying to achieve accuracy (and yes I am Swiss, yes I have shot in Switzerland and yes I think the Stg90 bipod is junk). Like Gunner said the bipod is used in service to keep the rifle out of the dirt/snow.
I shoot it with the mag pressed into the ground with my support hand holding the top of the mag/magwell. I don't want any pressure whatsoever on that barrel or handguard when I am shooting.
Shooting of the mag, will give you the best results by far. FWIW the most accurate of the family is the CQB, has something to do with the short barrel. bullet is out of the barrel pretty quick, next is the 14" carbine. I tossed the targets, but had several sub moa groups with using a CQB and hornady TAP ammo 75gr 5.56
