Swiss Arms in pictures - for newbies who want to look under the hood

If the upper and lower were forged steel it would weigh 14-15 pounds dry.

try taking that prairie dog hunting.

The upper receiver has a solid steel trunnion, and steel re-enforcement rails welded into it.

The steel is very strong sheet steel. If you could bend it with your bare hands, i'd hate to see what you could do to anything else.

I have had the chance to thoroughly inspect my friends Black Special, and I trust its strength moreso than my Benelli M4's forged Aluminum receiver (that's about 1/4 inch thick).


However this is all trivial about feelings and observations based on eyeballs.

I let the REAL firearms professionals do my research for me.

Read up on the testing of the SIG 550, and 551 rifle's:

www(dot)biggerhammer(dot)net/sigamt/550/550techinspection/


They put the rifle through hell and back and it survives time and time again.


The Canadian marketed Classic Green, Black Special (etc...) are made in small production runs, where the quality and attention to detail are even higher than the Military spec. SIG 550.


You can say how it looks like cheap flimsy metal, but you are making false statements about a product you have no real world experience with.
 
50calshooter,

Wow, I've heard alot of strange things on this board but you are realy teeing off on something you don't understand. No disrespect to your profession or business but you need to have some more experience with Swiss Arms guns. You are right that usually sheet steel might mean weak but not in this case. Swiss Arms rifles are built like tanks.

I don't know how to say it nicer to you.

Rich
 
50calshooter said:
Maby so but the stamped steel makes it look cheap IMO... Perhaps if the upper and lower was forged or machined.... Me thinks I would be all over this rifle... Please don't jump down my throat this is an honest observation, not a trolling expedition
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I had an american ask me to cut up a receiver so he could have the rails. I tried hard, but the steel is VERY hard, the rails are spot welded AND brazed to the receiver walls, and it was impossible for me to get the thing apart.

Any time you are in Calgary, you are free to drop by the store and I have some demo guns in the back that you can try your bending tricks on. I'll give you a free gun if you can bend a receiver.
 
Great pics and breakdown ghostie ... I LOVE MY RIFLE ... :D

Otokiak
Rankin Inlet, NU
CANADA

p.s. if you shop around, you never know what great price you may find ... ;) :p
 
50calshooter said:
Haha ok, ok, I'll take your guys word for it... :) I guess I'll have to just go out and try one, Redleg I will take you up on your offer.... perhaps next weekend... ;)
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If you can crush that receiver with your bare hands, you're a man best not f**ked with. :p

Giving him said rifle for free might just be good sense!
 
50calshooter said:
I state my professional beacuse I KNOW steel and differant types of metals, I know certain strengths and capacitys of steel etc. etc. I have handled the rifle in store but never stripped it or shot it. If im ever in your area, I will take you up on your offer... ;)
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The material itself is one thing, but the overall strength of a structure is a factor of much more than the thickness of the steel. Relatively thin walled steel structures can be immensely strong if properly designed (just look at a box girder bridge). With support in the right places, shear failure and plate buckling can be addressed without resorting to overbuilding your structure.
 
50calshooter said:
Nester dont be mad beacuse your 3000K rifle is made out of cheap stamped steel.. :p :D
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$3000k?

$3,000,000?


Sweet Jesus. I realize your post was just off. But if you even looked cursorily at a SAN rifle, I think you'd find your earlier posts equally as far out in left field...
 
sprint said:
$3000k?

$3,000,000?


Sweet Jesus. I realize your post was just off. But if you even looked cursorily at a SAN rifle, I think you'd find your earlier posts equally as far out in left field...
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My posts aren't out to left field you guys are just to sensitive or too egotistical to accept it. Stamped steel is a cheap cost effective way to manufacture a rifle, forgings or machined recievers/lowers are stronger and are better quality... How can you argue that? If you admit it I'll never participate in another praise a swiss rifle thread again....
 
50calshooter said:
My posts aren't out to left field you guys are just to sensitive or too egotistical to accept it.
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Really. And you'd know of me to speak on that point exactly...


how?



My full, legal name is openly posted in the clear, as included in the signature block below. As such, their is no 'shadowy' component to my participation or posts on shooting in Canada.

I have both shot and briefly owned an XCR, and found them not to my liking. Excellent ergonomics, with what I assessed under my own power to be questionably robust features.

Conversely, I currently own several SAN rifles, and am patently aware of both their pros and cons. I have been found on this board to have regularly provided what I feel are sensible, open commentaries on both rifles. Those comments originate from my own personal biases as someone who has run several families of military small arms to their near limits.

I didn't storm Saddam's palace. I did not capture Al Quaida while wearing black pyjamas. I was just fortunate enough to serve with a number of folks who have performed such actions; albeit in a time before they became far cooler than I ever hoped to be. (my wife is snidely reminding me that it is now more an era than a time, but it IS nice to stay grounded in reality from time to time.)



While no where near authoritative on the subject, I do believe myself fairly well equipped to offer my opinion on that which I own and actively shoot.

Further to that note. I maintain many connections with active shooters in both the military and civilian sectors; all of whom I am confident have expressed opinions that they can fully and credibly backed by credible names in the industry today. Name dropping on the internet is ### as f**k, so I'll restrain those comments to any place, any time, on any range in Canada with vetted shooters, and let that body determine whether the opinions of THOSE credible shooters can be taken as valid.

Without exception, they have expressed their reservations to me in both personal and open forum conversations on the merits of running the XCR as a platform that they will depend on in any high risk or high use scenario.

Are you suggesting your expertise in metal working in a non-related field to be strong grounds to reject those opinions? :popCorn:



Open up the door to my credibility if you wish. As a former paratrooper with no active history in the last 15 years, I have little to loose as I have no skin in that particular game. I am merely an interested observer, but one with enough history to not be stunned and glassy eyed simply because 5 people know of a guy who served somewhere that one time, and who claims that a particular product is absolutely 'the heat.'

Do recognize that until we can equally examine your comments for their veracity sir, they will remain filed as another anonymous Internet opinion.


Until then, do recognize that this attempt to impose an amateur opinion based off unrelated experience is not going to become easier. It will become harder as more and more of our troops return to Canada with recent, directly related experience.

Some such posters have already politely refuted you in this thread alone, and you have not had the clarity to see it.
 
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Captain Paul said:
:agree:
Wow, for a decent well informed thread that probably took a hefty chunk out of Ghosties personal time with the pictures and all, some of you sure know how to JACK a perfectly good thread! Awesome job!:jerkit:
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WTF ru talking about, this thread was about examining a swiss "under the hood" and the topic as of late is the use of stamped steel as apposed to a forging or a machined one piece.... I think were right on topic, some just cant handle constructive critisism.... or is this just a praise only thread?
 
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