Swiss Arms rifles being examined for reclassification?

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Breaking News on Swiss Arms reclassification!

Sun News Network's Faith Goldy will be breaking new developments on the potential reclassification of the Swiss Arms rifles tonight on 'Byline with Brian Lilley.'

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mlehtovaara said:
The worst part of all of this is that this justifies the RCMP's rigorous testing, and classification process, and assures that all future scary guns will be held up in testing for years before we ever see em.

At the same time it appears that C/A rifles in the hands of the public, just like with the thousands of F/A guns already out there, do not translate into a public safety concern!

Nobody is converting these back to F/A, and I haven't heard of too many F/A's being used that can trace back to legit owners.
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Ain't that the sad sad truth about our bed wetting politicians and society
 
So to summarize…

TSE received a rifle that was different than ones they had seen before and thus informed the RCMP. That rifle and two others were sent to the RCMP for inspection. It turns out the rifle in question is a true semi-auto, but the two others were in fact converted autos. Now in the meantime they have compared the rifles to a SG-550 and a SG-540 and it appears that it is a variant of the SG-550. The SG-550 being a named prohibited.

So now there are apparently some converted-autos in the mix which are prohibited and the status of the Canadian Classic Green is being questioned as it appears to be a variant of the SG-550.

Do I have that correct?
 
That's how I see it.
Mirk said:
So to summarize…

TSE received a rifle that was different than ones they had seen before and thus informed the RCMP. That rifle and two others were sent to the RCMP for inspection. It turns out the rifle in question is a true semi-auto, but the two others were in fact converted autos. Now in the meantime they have compared the rifles to a SG-550 and a SG-540 and it appears that it is a variant of the SG-550. The SG-550 being a named prohibited.

So now there are apparently some converted-autos in the mix which are prohibited and the status of the Canadian Classic Green is being questioned as it appears to be a variant of the SG-550.

Do I have that correct?
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M.w.wolf said:
Breaking News on Swiss Arms reclassification!

Sun News Network's Faith Goldy will be breaking new developments on the potential reclassification of the Swiss Arms rifles tonight on 'Byline with Brian Lilley.'

9:00 PM Eastern / 10:00 PM Pacific

Rogers – 142 / 567 (HD)
Shaw Digital – 177
Shaw Direct – 149/517
Bell TV – 506
Bell Fibe – 518 / 1518 (HD)
Access – 253
Eastlink – 663 (HD)
Videotron – 79/679 (HD)
Sasktel – 69
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Sorry, where did that come from?
 
Shooting Centre said:
SAN knows they truly screwed up on this, they really have no good excuse as to how the C/A receivers ended up in the mix. It appears to have happened a couple times too. I spoke to the CEO yesterday and he is currently trying to track down suspect serial numbers but their detailed records only go back 10 years.
If you own a SAN gun open the receivers, pull out the bolts and look down into the action. The right hand rail should be solid along its length with no slot cut through when viewed from the top.
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Top as in I am now looking at my receiver upside down or looking down through the ejection port?
 
J996 said:
Top as in I am now looking at my receiver upside down or looking down through the ejection port?
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Sights up, looking into the receiver at the chamber.

http://alpinetek.netfirms.com/guns/SG55X/receiver/01.jpg

Look at this picture, just to the rear of the ejection port there is a small steel block welded to the receiver. All SA and C/A guns have this. All guns have a small slot on the bottom of the rail here. Receivers that were made as F/A had the trip slot cut right through the rail. C/A receivers have the slot cut but the block welded into place.

F/A receiver http://alpinetek.netfirms.com/guns/SG55X/receiver/autorecvrtn.jpg
 
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Shooting Centre said:
SAN knows they truly screwed up on this, they really have no good excuse as to how the C/A receivers ended up in the mix. It appears to have happened a couple times too. I spoke to the CEO yesterday and he is currently trying to track down suspect serial numbers but their detailed records only go back 10 years.
If you own a SAN gun open the receivers, pull out the bolts and look down into the action. The right hand rail should be solid along its length with no slot cut through when viewed from the top.
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We need a detailed PIC sticky!! My head hurts...

Edit: Your edit made my post moot. Off I go to check my rifle... :)
 
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Shooting Centre said:
Sights up, looking into the receiver at the chamber.

http://alpinetek.netfirms.com/guns/SG55X/receiver/01.jpg

Look at this picture, just to the rear of the ejection port there is a small steel block welded to the receiver. All SA and C/A guns have this. All guns have a small slot on the bottom of the rail here. Receivers that were made as F/A had the trip slot cut right through the rail. C/A receivers have the slot cut but the block welded into place.

F/A receiver http://alpinetek.netfirms.com/guns/SG55X/receiver/autorecvrtn.jpg
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Well A sigh of relief from me... My Swiss Arms don't have the F/A trip slot.
 
Shooting Centre said:
A complaint was made that ESF9116 was a "spurious" copy. It was sent to the RCMP forensics lab for investigation. It was sent with two other guns that were described by the sender as "real" Classic Green rifles. The "real" rifles (or control rifles) were in reality C/A. So the sender saw that ESF9116 was different than two other rifles in his possession, made the assumption that ESF9116 was incorrect and sent it with two other rifles that were thought to be correct. He was wrong on all counts. We are dealing with the fallout. This made even worse by the fact that sender should have known better as he was claiming to be a Swiss Arms expert, and he had received a letter from SAN stating that ESF9116 was in fact a true Classic Green rifle.
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That's just ****ed-up, plain and simple.

Thanks very much for posting that explanation and those images of a C/A receiver CSC!
 
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I just got a call that the KRISS Vector FRT has been pulled for review. Apparently SUN NEWS is working on that for tonight as well.

Good times
 
mlehtovaara said:
The worst part of all of this is that this justifies the RCMP's rigorous testing, and classification process, and assures that all future scary guns will be held up in testing for years before we ever see em.

At the same time it appears that C/A rifles in the hands of the public, just like with the thousands of F/A guns already out there, do not translate into a public safety concern!

Nobody is converting these back to F/A, and I haven't heard of too many F/A's being used that can trace back to legit owners.

All of this BS and for what? What a friggin waste of everyones time and tax dollars!
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Hit the nail square on the head mlehtovaara!

The only positive thing I can see coming out of this as a law-abiding gun owner, is for an orderly recall of all c/a receivers from the importer and Swiss Arms. Plus free replacement of same receiver. And for the RCMP to leave the classification alone.

Last thing we need is an L.A. Norinco type fiasco justifying more b.s. from the feds.
 
Korporal said:
Wait.
Does that mean new KRISS transfers are now on hold??
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Info I got was that a QC resident went to register and was told the FRT is under review and he could not reg it. Developing story, more to come.

Sorry for not starting a new thread, but thought we should keep the issues together.
 
Here's the bigger question: Did the importer in 2007-08 knowingly imported C/A into Canada.

Judging by his apparent good intent & action (sending one rifle in believing it was a C/A and two sample rifles that turned out to be C/A), I would think that the said importer didn't know about it then (back in 2007/08) nor does he know any better today (not recognizing the differences between both still - i.e. he would have caught them when under inspection then - right?).

So, he went ahead in good faith and it turned out to be a complete and utter klusterf@ck for everyone.

Going oversees to Switzerland and trying to determine the actual lineage is only half of the solution.

What the other half? Determining who at THEIR end authorized the shipment of the said C/As back then (and perhaps still today?).

Will the RCMP get all of the satisfactory paperwork and say - ok, it's clear that they are S/A ONLY and we won't change the classification, but...

How do you enforce the verification ? Through them only? Think about the backlog....or through approved verifier? If so, will the RCMP request photo evidence?...along with...a serial number? Thus telling them what they actually own, in other words, going exactly against what we've fought so hard for - the end of the NR firearms registry.

That is the proverbial pickle if I've ever seen one.

Sad times indeed.

Oh and those wondering why the June 30th date - my pink unicorn tells me its to get this done before Parliament breaks for the summer.
 
CanAm said:
Info I got was that a QC resident went to register and was told the FRT is under review and he could not reg it. Developing story, more to come.

Sorry for not starting a new thread, but thought we should keep the issues together.
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I had the same thing happen to my transfer in MB. I was told that the transfer had to be reviewed because the KRISS rifles were imported with 30 round magazines. This made no sense to me because mine came with a 10 round glock mag and had the checklist sheet from TDI with a 10 rounds G21 mag listed. Not sure what happened there.
 
BenL said:
Here's the bigger question: Did the importer in 2007-08 knowingly imported C/A into Canada.

Judging by his apparent good intent & action (sending one rifle in believing it was a C/A and two sample rifles that turned out to be C/A), I would think that the said importer didn't know about it then (back in 2007/08) nor does he know any better today (not recognizing the differences between both still - i.e. he would have caught them when under inspection then - right?).
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It is my opinion that the JR had no idea what a C/A rifle looked like and obviously that information is still not that clear with him now. The fact that the guns have been imported by accident over the years is nobody's fault here in Canada, why would an importer think to inspect every rifle, just in case.
However, one of the most dangerous things in the world is someone who knows a little but thinks he knows everything. Here is a perfect example of that. In spite of not knowing what a C/A rifle looks like a decision was made to go directly to the RCMP, and not wait for a response from SAN.
So, he went ahead in good faith and it turned out to be a complete and utter klusterf@ck for everyone.
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I'm not so sure good faith is the correct expression, more like impulsively and without regard for the potential consequences that he should have known well given his involvement with the product since 2001.

Going oversees to Switzerland and trying to determine the actual lineage is only half of the solution.
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I would argue less than half given his apparent lack of knowledge of the product line. I don't mean to sound pessimistic about this either. JR has made public claims that he will be sorting things out but that does not mean others are not working quietly behind the scenes. I can assure you that MD Charlton (the current distributor), ourselves (the warranty depot), SAN and even the CSSA are all currently looking at possible solutions. Of course it would have been nice if JR had dealt with this through these points of contact initially rather than acting impulsively and dealing first with the RCMP.

What the other half? Determining who at THEIR end authorized the shipment of the said C/As back then (and perhaps still today?).
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As I posted earlier this is being done by SAN now.
Will the RCMP get all of the satisfactory paperwork and say - ok, it's clear that they are S/A ONLY and we won't change the classification, but...

How do you enforce the verification ? Through them only? Think about the backlog....or through approved verifier? If so, will the RCMP request photo evidence?...along with...a serial number? Thus telling them what they actually own, in other words, going exactly against what we've fought so hard for - the end of the NR firearms registry.

That is the proverbial pickle if I've ever seen one.

Sad times indeed.

Oh and those wondering why the June 30th date - my pink unicorn tells me its to get this done before Parliament breaks for the summer.
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Time will tell.
 
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