Swiss Arms rifles being examined for reclassification?

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My question is how come swiss wasn't asked anything before this went to rcmp? Why werent they given an opportunity to to explain themselves or to replace these rifles?

Think about that one a bit.....Who involved the RCMP???

For the record, SAN has explained themselves. The Answer is not in our favor...More to come later ;)
 
Think about that one a bit.....Who involved the RCMP???

For the record, SAN has explained themselves. The Answer is not in our favor...More to come later ;)

That is a very good question, who did involve the rcmp, I don't think it was san, or am I mistaken?

From TSE post it sounded like TSE started this
 
Yes gangbangers like to run 3k+ rifles right? Gimme a break they run the cheapest #### they can find, how many gang wars have you seen them using top drawer rifles like these? Again like I said about any major organized crime syndicate, They can bring in ak74s, augs, fals, scars or any other prohib rifle you wish to mention, prohibing the swiss wont slow anything down for them


My question is how come swiss wasn't asked anything before this went to rcmp? Why werent they given an opportunity to to explain themselves or to replace these rifles?

K sorry your right I shouldn't have said gangs. All I meant if a Incident ever happened with that gun. It would be the total apocalypse of semis in Canada.

Sorry spelling mistakes. Damn spell correct #### on iPad. Gonna shoot thins thing.
 
K sorry your right I shouldn't have said gangs. All I meant if a Incident ever happened with that gun. It would be the total apocalypse of semis in Canada.

Sorry spelling mistakes. Damn spell correct #### on iPad. Gonna shoot thins thing.
Until anyone mentioned this issue who even knew? And anyone that did I'm sure didn't have converting it to commit crime on there to do list. I agree with your statement of apocalypse on semis is true regardless of if its full auto easily converted ect. Any excuse to demonize the evil firearms right. The chances of a dude that bought one under the assumption that it was not readily converted to fa and doing it to commit a crime are pretty far reaching if you ask me. Either way I'm disappointed as I someday wanted to own a couple Swiss arms rifles. I hope it gets sorted as I had my heart set on a black special. Do you think this might happen? Should I still be saving for a green classic? What is the brass tax defacto assumptions here in plain English ?
 
x2, one of the post states there is a letter fron SAN saying the rifle TSE questioned is in fact NR classic green

No, the letter states that the rifle is mechanically identical to a classic green. It does not state that it was or is a classic green.
 
Please, for the love of all things holy, stop fixating on the converted auto issue. This is something the RCMP came up with on their own and is easily clarified with technical drawings.

We will have a complete technical data package prepared for the RCMP.

I honestly believe they do not want this family prohibited.

JR
 
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Once again, the RCMP think they are converted auto receivers based on their experience. Swiss Arms can demonstrate otherwise.
so by the sounds of what you are saying now is that SAN confirmed the rifle you initially questioned to be and i quote
the letter states that the rifle is mechanically identical to a classic green

Now also the other two rifles can be confirmed by SAN to not be C/A, so why was any of this brought to RCMP attention if SAN has given you all the answers?
 
I gotta say, from what I have heard, this is completely true, if at all possible, the RCMP want to avoid this shiit storm just as much as we do.

So why does not someone come out from the RCMP and say. "We are not going to prohibit this line of rifle, we just want to get the rifles that were converted CAs, that slipped thru the system, off the market, and any that were sold will be recalled, and reimbursed for or replaced with a conforming model." Simple. And everyone is happy.
 
Yes, expensive for the lawfull owners, If our government confiscates the rifles we will have no recourse to get our dollars back that we spent on them

I keep saying it guys.....Think of the headlines in the paper if the media finds out that the RCMP have allowed this to happen without ever having even examined the rifles in the first place 12 years ago.

The RCMP REALLY don't want this BS hassle. They may just push it under the rug regardless of what the find. Can the RCMP afford another scandal right now. Especially one that involves having to track a bunch of guns just after the LGR was done away with.

So why does not someone come out from the RCMP and say. "We are not going to prohibit this line of rifle, we just want to get the rifles that were converted CAs, that slipped thru the system, off the market, and any that were sold will be recalled, and reimbursed for or replaced with a conforming model." Simple. And everyone is happy.

Because it's an open investigation, and the RCMP won't discuss it in public, they have put the onus on the importer's to prove that not only are these rifles derived from the 540, but that they have always been. They have asked for diagrams backing this up, along with statements from SAN....They have given until June 30th for the importers to answer there questions, and then they will make a decision, who knows what that will be, but it is my understanding, that they are hoping this all goes away.....
 
No, the letter states that the rifle is mechanically identical to a classic green. It does not state that it was or is a classic green.

ok, so SAN says it is mechanically identical to a Classic Green and you claim it is not a Classic Green, the logical conclusion is that a Classic Green is some type of prohibited firearm as you have claimed. How exactly is this helpful? Seriously, you need to start thinking before posting.
 
I keep saying it guys.....Think of the headlines in the paper if the media finds out that the RCMP have allowed this to happen without ever having even examined the rifles in the first place 12 years ago.

The RCMP REALLY don't want this BS hassle. They may just push it under the rug regardless of what the find. Can the RCMP afford another scandal right now. Especially one that involves having to track a bunch of guns just after the LGR was done away with.



Because it's an open investigation, and the RCMP won't discuss it in public, they have put the onus on the importer's to prove that not only are these rifles derived from the 540, but that they have always been. They have asked for diagrams backing this up, along with statements from SAN....They have given until June 30th for the importers to answer there questions, and then they will make a decision, who knows what that will be, but it is my understanding, that they are hoping this all goes away.....


I think your right. Rcmp has something to lose here too. They may just do the old wipe the toilet seat with your sock maneuver.
 
Please, for the love of all things holy, stop fixating on the converted auto issue. This is something the RCMP came up with on their own and is easily clarified with technical drawings.

We will have a complete technical data package prepared for the RCMP.

I honestly believe they do not want this family prohibited.

JR

Not true. The NWEST interview in March was very specific that the allegation was concerning prohibited C/A rifles. In fact even your long post that I will pick apart next makes the same claim "ex military rifles". You start the the ball rolling and then complain that it is not going where you want it to.
 
This back and forth with retailers is getting tiring. Who cares why the whistle was blown. Fact is it was and there is a problem with the SAN product, lets just stick to the facts and see if we can get to the bottom of this.
 
Sights up, looking into the receiver at the chamber.

http://alpinetek.netfirms.com/guns/SG55X/receiver/01.jpg

Look at this picture, just to the rear of the ejection port there is a small steel block welded to the receiver. All SA and C/A guns have this. All guns have a small slot on the bottom of the rail here. Receivers that were made as F/A had the trip slot cut right through the rail. C/A receivers have the slot cut but the block welded into place.

F/A receiver http://alpinetek.netfirms.com/guns/SG55X/receiver/autorecvrtn.jpg

Oh ok so on a CA they simply welded the block over the trip slot. Here are some better pics, FA on left semi on right.


 
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