Swissarms and EE.

Epoxy7 said:
So there is yet another wrinkle in this. At my range I brought this up and they don’t allow prohibs there. So I might not even be able to shoot them at the very range I’ve shot them before at. However easy and convenient the Liberals try and claim it will be... you know it won’t be. From no ATT authorizations to ranges that don’t/can’t allow prohibs.

No I’m not selling mine. But this situation really does piss me off. There is no legitimate reason to cancel the OIC allowing the cz and PE90 to remain non restricted. This is a clear F you to firearm owners and the Conservatives from the Liberals. Evidence based, blah blah BS.. it’s plain out emotionally driven and vindictive.
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Not many ranges are certified for prohibited rifles, lots of people are slow to realize this. The CFO isn't going to hand out the authorization either
 
Brian46 said:
Not many ranges are certified for prohibited rifles, lots of people are slow to realize this. The CFO isn't going to hand out the authorization either
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Actually, I have never seen a club approval that specifically did not allow prohibited rifles. Only automatic fire is prohibited.

The problem is the CFO will NOT issue an ATT for prohibited firearms, except handguns, for the purpose of target shooting.

We have put on show and tells with everything from Lewis water cooled through Brens and MG34s to MP5s and Steyr Augs. We had no problem arranging the ATT's but only for display, no firing.
We had one table set up with an AR15(T) long barrel, a Swiss Arms Classic Green and an HK93 and ran a competition among some members that were LEOs, Conservation officers, PAL instructors and even a couple of local politicians on which was the NR, which was Restricted and which was prohib.
Very few go it right. Not surprising really considering they were all semi automatic, same caliber, same detachable mag, same mag capacity. Why would there be a difference?
They were really surprised and asked us why there was a difference. When forced to choose, most thought the Swiss Arms was the prohib because of the folding stock, the restricted was the HK93 and the non restricted was the AR because of the long barrel.

When the military wanted to use our range I remember sitting down with Chris Wyatt and explaining to him as the military does not need an ATT there is no reason that they cannot use our range with their issued weapons based on our approval.
He agreed and they arrived with C7s and C8s but the first command from the RO was to ensure the selector was on single shot. If one weapon had gone full auto then the club was closed down.
 
call2arms said:
You may need to "transfer" it to him before the new legislation for this to work
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Since it is a NR Black special, he will be the one who will apply for the 12-9 then it will grandfathered to is name and since he is young the SA will be around a long time.
 
Suther said:
No offense, but the Libs have a majority. We can't stop this. This WILL become law. I'm not saying don't write letters ect, that's important because it shows them there are a whole lot of pissed off voters, but it's not going to get them to scrap the legislation.
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It hasn't passed yet, it can still be stopped. It's not only Turdeau's people on the council, they can't force it through just because they want it.
 
bobsjh said:
Actually, I have never seen a club approval that specifically did not allow prohibited rifles. Only automatic fire is prohibited.

The problem is the CFO will NOT issue an ATT for prohibited firearms, except handguns, for the purpose of target shooting.

We have put on show and tells with everything from Lewis water cooled through Brens and MG34s to MP5s and Steyr Augs. We had no problem arranging the ATT's but only for display, no firing.
We had one table set up with an AR15(T) long barrel, a Swiss Arms Classic Green and an HK93 and ran a competition among some members that were LEOs, Conservation officers, PAL instructors and even a couple of local politicians on which was the NR, which was Restricted and which was prohib.
Very few go it right. Not surprising really considering they were all semi automatic, same caliber, same detachable mag, same mag capacity. Why would there be a difference?
They were really surprised and asked us why there was a difference. When forced to choose, most thought the Swiss Arms was the prohib because of the folding stock, the restricted was the HK93 and the non restricted was the AR because of the long barrel.

When the military wanted to use our range I remember sitting down with Chris Wyatt and explaining to him as the military does not need an ATT there is no reason that they cannot use our range with their issued weapons based on our approval.
He agreed and they arrived with C7s and C8s but the first command from the RO was to ensure the selector was on single shot. If one weapon had gone full auto then the club was closed down.
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In order to shoot a restricted firearm at a given range, that range has to be approved for the use of restricted firearms. In order to legally shoot a prohib, the range has to be approved for prohibs.

Look at your s29 range approval.

When your range was approved by the CFO, you were given an approval that specifies the rules, caliber restrictions, and activity restrictions for each range within the facility.

I have yet to see a commercial or private range that was approved for prohibited firearms, but I am sure some are out there.
 
Brian46 said:
In order to shoot a restricted firearm at a given range, that range has to be approved for the use of restricted firearms. In order to legally shoot a prohib, the range has to be approved for prohibs.

Look at your s29 range approval.

When your range was approved by the CFO, you were given an approval that specifies the rules, caliber restrictions, and activity restrictions for each range within the facility.

I have yet to see a commercial or private range that was approved for prohibited firearms, but I am sure some are out there.
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I know what the s29 approval looks like as I have been dealing with it for 20 years.

Here is cut and paste of our most recent one showing a specific range. As you can see it does not specifically allow restricted but as it allows handguns it is implied.
Range #1 25/50 Yard (22/47 Metre) Outdoor Handgun/Centre Fire Rifle/Rim Fire
Rifle/Shotgun/Black Powder
Approval Includes: IPSC/IDPA/PPC/Action Shooting/Steel Targets
Approval Conditions:
No target placement on the range floor. All bullets must impact the backstop at midline or
lower without striking the range floor. All targets are to be placed as close to the backstop
as practical. No shooting greater than 45 degrees from the firing line to the backstop or
side-backstop. No moving props permitted unless the Chief Firearms Office is notified in
writing, 15 days prior to the IPSC competition using moving props.

Near the end is:
No "Shooting Range" approved pursuant to Section 29 of the Firearms Act shall allow the use of
prohibited firearms (Full Automatic).
Again, as you can see the prohibited firearms statement is qualified with full automatic.

For the average person it does not matter as we still can't transport our prohibs to the range for target shooting.

For those that do not need an ATT, the OPP for example. Their C8's, while only semi, are prohibs because of their lowers and they can be legally used on our range.
This has been verified by the CFO and his legal counsel to ensure that the club is in compliance with our approvals and therefore not subject to any non compliance issues.
 
bobsjh said:
For those that do not need an ATT, the OPP for example. Their C8's, while only semi, are prohibs because of their lowers and they can be legally used on our range.
This has been verified by the CFO and his legal counsel to ensure that the club is in compliance with our approvals and therefore not subject to any non compliance issues.
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Why would their semi-auto only lowers be prohibited?
 
bobsjh said:
Actually, I have never seen a club approval that specifically did not allow prohibited rifles. Only automatic fire is prohibited.

The problem is the CFO will NOT issue an ATT for prohibited firearms, except handguns, for the purpose of target shooting.

We have put on show and tells with everything from Lewis water cooled through Brens and MG34s to MP5s and Steyr Augs. We had no problem arranging the ATT's but only for display, no firing.
We had one table set up with an AR15(T) long barrel, a Swiss Arms Classic Green and an HK93 and ran a competition among some members that were LEOs, Conservation officers, PAL instructors and even a couple of local politicians on which was the NR, which was Restricted and which was prohib.
Very few go it right. Not surprising really considering they were all semi automatic, same caliber, same detachable mag, same mag capacity. Why would there be a difference?
They were really surprised and asked us why there was a difference. When forced to choose, most thought the Swiss Arms was the prohib because of the folding stock, the restricted was the HK93 and the non restricted was the AR because of the long barrel.

When the military wanted to use our range I remember sitting down with Chris Wyatt and explaining to him as the military does not need an ATT there is no reason that they cannot use our range with their issued weapons based on our approval.
He agreed and they arrived with C7s and C8s but the first command from the RO was to ensure the selector was on single shot. If one weapon had gone full auto then the club was closed down.
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The issue there is not to do with CFO's no longer issuing SAP's. Back in 2003 the Firearms Act was amended, section 18 (the part that dealt with prohib ATT's) was removed, and section 19 was amended so that only 12.6 handguns could be transported to ranges.
 
Interested to see what happens with Swiss arms prices right before June 30 and after. Saw one with lots of extras still for 2200 on the ee pretty quick. The ones asking for 3kish seem to be lingering.
 
I dont think, one would buy a SA only to get grandfathered, better keep it and see what happen instead of giving it away, i suspect that i nothing is reversed, the SA will be worth next to nothing, hope i am wrong.:popCorn:
 
Ar180shooter said:
The issue there is not to do with CFO's no longer issuing SAP's. Back in 2003 the Firearms Act was amended, section 18 (the part that dealt with prohib ATT's) was removed, and section 19 was amended so that only 12.6 handguns could be transported to ranges.
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I was at a shooting club back in December of 2017, doing the practical part of a black badge course, whe towards closing time, we all heard a full auto going off in the second range. Eventually , we all went to see, and there was someone, an older guy shooting a belt fed full auto 5,56.....
 
Dr. Hunter said:
Interested to see what happens with Swiss arms prices right before June 30 and after. Saw one with lots of extras still for 2200 on the ee pretty quick. The ones asking for 3kish seem to be lingering.
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I'd buy a blue star, red devil or heavy metal at a reasonable price
 
Yeah curious to know, the only belt fed 5.56's I am aware of are not something you see in civilian ownership.
is your shooting club on a military range?
 
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