I will say that as an onlooker and a serious milsurp collector i was trying to remain neutral on this issue until reading the comments above. Wow.
T2 Garand - Part 1
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I will say that as an onlooker and a serious milsurp collector i was trying to remain neutral on this issue until reading the comments above. Wow.
Let's keep to the topic at hand and please keep the insults and sidetracked subjects (Hirtenburger, and VZ-58s) out of this thread...or maybe to a dull roar...
The first questions I would have if these were built for the Dutch is:
- why would the Italians use Danish receivers?
- Breda and Beretta built plenty of M1s for other purchasing countries, but it is my understanding they used either sterile Breda/Beretta stamped parts and receivers, or the receivers were identified with a crest or marking of the purchasing nation - wouldn't we see Dutch markings, and what would those entail?
- Beretta and Breda would/should have documentation of these, and I haven't seen any evidence or research that would point to this taking place (not to say it didn't happen).
-how does this explanation factor with no markings whatsoever on the barrels?
The first questions I would have if these were built for the Dutch is:
- why would the Italians use Danish receivers?
- Breda and Beretta built plenty of M1s for other purchasing countries, but it is my understanding they used either sterile Breda/Beretta stamped parts and receivers, or the receivers were identified with a crest or marking of the purchasing nation - wouldn't we see Dutch markings, and what would those entail?
- Beretta and Breda would/should have documentation of these, and I haven't seen any evidence or research that would point to this taking place (not to say it didn't happen).
-how does this explanation factor with no markings whatsoever on the barrels?
To be clear: I am not accusing Marstar of anything, but I find it truly odd that the rifles are marked by a firm that assembled reproduction t2 garlands using surplus Danish receivers, new barrels and used Italian parts kits. This info is available to anyone who can google "Hauck Garand".
This looks like too much of a coincidence to win me over. When I hear hoof prints, I assume horses, not zebras.
Ymmv.
johnone instead of just going off how about answering to your ad. 200 rifles at what you charged for them is a lot of hard earned money based on an ad you backed, which now seems a bunch of poo. I would imagine the folks here on CGN are a pretty good portion of your earnings. Just how many do you think should have the trust factor when the next ad comes out.
It looks to be all walnut, but the front hg could be closer in color. Honestly that stock set would not bother me though. If a handguard were beech or something, I'd be bent about having paid the higher premium.
Yeah, I think I can't fault Marstar on the wood match issue there. Sorry.
Yeah, I think I can't fault Marstar on the wood match issue there. Sorry.
i'm not sure the minimum order, but it's widely circulated on the inter webs that the S. Korean stockpile is priced around $500 per rifle.
I would suggest that all colour matching wood parts in a military rifle would be coincidence and happenstance. If stocks are being run from a stack of walnut planks from the same source, the colour may be close. But there was certainly no attempt to match based on appearance. It was not at all unusual for issue Long Branch rifles display birch and walnut.
As far as value of these rifles goes, look what bitsers assembled with parts sourced from where ever are bringing-1500 ask is often seen. And these are amateur assembled rifles.
These .308s are worth at least as much. With the ex-Danish receivers, and unknown parts sources these rifles may not be true collectibles, but they will surely be great shooters.
Well, I made the mistake of assuming that these had been assembled in a competent manner....
As far as value of these rifles goes, look what bitsers assembled with parts sourced from where ever are bringing-1500 ask is often seen. And these are amateur assembled rifles.
These .308s are worth at least as much. With the ex-Danish receivers, and unknown parts sources these rifles may not be true collectibles, but they will surely be great shooters.
Well, I made the mistake of assuming that these had been assembled in a competent manner....
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I agree 100%.
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I knew they wasnt tha real T2 from Italy. Congratulations you played yourself.
This is also correct, there are threads on GB that show prices asked by Korea range between $350 and $650 depending on condition, iirc.
A few US website stores imported spare Korean parts and stock sets marked to Korean police and units, just no actual rifles due to the import laws.
lol
First the return of Tac870 and now you all in the same week?? What will be next? Perhaps smellie will weigh into the debate.
Seams only fair. If you don't think this is a two tone, feel free to correct me.
I must say the rifle is very nice and tight. I would be happy to keep it at the two tone price.
I'd say regardless of all the other misleading description of the ad, you paid an extra $175 for that one. It's more of a mismatch in color then the other fellow who posted his mismatch earlier.
Claven, compare the pics to the $1600 mismatch earlier in the thread. This should have been a $1600 example.
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