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Do not use it if its aluminum, you don't need it, it's a spacer/guide for using 308 in a 30-06 designed gun.
T2 Garand - Part 1
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Do not use it if its aluminum, you don't need it, it's a spacer/guide for using 308 in a 30-06 designed gun.
nodnodnod2003
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Sorry about my bad English
Just phone them and will shipping back the nice look T2. First i was very happy with the gun. I am not care about the marker of the parts. However the safety issue is bigger than anything. I do not have any knowledge about M1 (total noob) and happy with it for one week until i saw this post, spent 3 hours to read all of the post and feel luck i did not have time to shoot the T2. Had to say thank you guys. You all are hero in my mind, at least stop someone noob like me to shoot the gun.
They said: "The gun is not safe basic on other's opinion, you do not test fire it how do you know?"
wtf? I need to blow my face or finger off to find it was not safe? Show me it is safe (answer the question and photo above) or give all of my money back.
And the staff said the shipping reimbursement is depend on the boss's opinion. They do not know.
It is not our fault, why we pay money to cover a fault which not cause by customer?
At least it is not a gun in storage about 50 years.
And guys where i can find a real Tipo 2 or M1 in 7.62x51. I really want one.
Just phone them and will shipping back the nice look T2. First i was very happy with the gun. I am not care about the marker of the parts. However the safety issue is bigger than anything. I do not have any knowledge about M1 (total noob) and happy with it for one week until i saw this post, spent 3 hours to read all of the post and feel luck i did not have time to shoot the T2. Had to say thank you guys. You all are hero in my mind, at least stop someone noob like me to shoot the gun.
They said: "The gun is not safe basic on other's opinion, you do not test fire it how do you know?"
wtf? I need to blow my face or finger off to find it was not safe? Show me it is safe (answer the question and photo above) or give all of my money back.
And the staff said the shipping reimbursement is depend on the boss's opinion. They do not know.
It is not our fault, why we pay money to cover a fault which not cause by customer?
At least it is not a gun in storage about 50 years.
And guys where i can find a real Tipo 2 or M1 in 7.62x51. I really want one.
Thanks for posting your experience with the phone call, and the rather unnerving response from Mastar to just go shoot it..... again confirming they refuse to acknowledge any safety concerns with these rifles.
As far as opinions...there isn't a gunsmith in Canada or the US that would tell you these rifles are safe to shoot. There is one in Germany that thinks they are fine, but that's it...
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I would like to thank everyone who have taken the time to post in this thread. Before this thread I would have done business with any of the sponsors without worrying too much. Of course, sometimes the service is hit and miss, just like it is for brick-and-mortar stores, but that's alright, even a small hiccup or two during a transaction will not mean that a store will lose my business in the future.
However, this whole fiasco (let's be honest here, this whole story is a fiasco, no matter which on side of the fence you are) has been eye opening for me. I haven't read all 107 pages of posts, but I've seen enough to come to one of 2 conclusions:
1-The dealer got ripped off from from upstream, and, knowlingly or not, ended up selling unsafe firearms and/or worthless collectible items, for a normal profit margin; or
2-The dealer actively took part in a rip off of its own customers, and knowingly sold unsafe firearms and/or worthless collectible items, for an outsized profit margin.
Let's make one thing clear: #2 is a blatant fraud, and it would be whether the product sold was collectible stamps, Louis Vutton handbags, renaissance paintings or buzz lightyear figurines. Peoples go to jail for that.
#1 is a bit more grey, but in such a case, I would expect that a retailer would refund me entirely (which means: at no loss for me, zero, nada, shipping both ways should be refunded). It his job to go after his own distributor/manfacturer. Will it cost said retailer some money? Probably. But the profit margins in an industry are supposed to account for the risk of returning items; if the margins aren't high enough on aggregate, ask an higher price, especially on high-risk items. In any case, I sure wouldn't be happy if I received the answers that the people who bought those Garand have received in this thread.
But this case is even worse, because firearms can potentially injure their users, and not everyone is knowledgeable enough to inspect the bolt of their firearms to find out they shouldn't shoot with it. Even an armorer who's not so familiar with the Garand might not know every potential problem a bolt can have that'll end up disastrous. And most people, especially newbies like me, don't expect that it's necessary to bring a newly-bought firearm to a local armorer to get it checked for safety, if bought from a professional retailer. These rifles could be quite dangerous. People could be injured, or even killed during the normal operation of these refiles. Car manufacturers have to issue recalls when a product they sell is dangerous. The same should be true in this case. The dealer should be contacting every client who bought a Garand, warn them not to fire them for any reason, and send them back for a full refund unless they accept that these items are novelty, not firearms. They shouldn't be fighting against those who want to return their bad products, and try to skimp on shipping fees.
So, I would again like to thank you all. It is not often that I get to learn a lesson for free, it usually costs money or pain, sometimes both. But in this case, I got 3, without spending a dime or bleeding a drop:
1-If I buy a used firearm, no matter where it comes from (dealer, local store, EE, whatever), I'll bring it to my local armorer as soon as I receive it to have it checked for safety. No skimping on safety to save a few bucks. If it isn't safe, I'll ask for a full refund;
2-One of this very site's sponsor has, in my opinion, acted badly. At best, a very bad service was provided. At worst, criminal fraud was commited. I will not send that dealer any of my hard earned money, ever;
3-The bad action of one often tarnish the reputation of others. Previous to this incident, I would have dealed with any of CGN's sponsors with confidence, but this isn't the case anymore. I've had great service from 2 sponsors, and I will happily order from them again. Two others I believe, based on comments on their respective forums offer great service, and I'll happily order from them in the future. With all the other ones I'll thread cautiously, I'll probably turn to them only if I can't find the product elsewhere or their price is ridiculously lower than everywhere else. Take note CGN: one bad sponsor can affect the other's reputation.
Have a good day everyone.
However, this whole fiasco (let's be honest here, this whole story is a fiasco, no matter which on side of the fence you are) has been eye opening for me. I haven't read all 107 pages of posts, but I've seen enough to come to one of 2 conclusions:
1-The dealer got ripped off from from upstream, and, knowlingly or not, ended up selling unsafe firearms and/or worthless collectible items, for a normal profit margin; or
2-The dealer actively took part in a rip off of its own customers, and knowingly sold unsafe firearms and/or worthless collectible items, for an outsized profit margin.
Let's make one thing clear: #2 is a blatant fraud, and it would be whether the product sold was collectible stamps, Louis Vutton handbags, renaissance paintings or buzz lightyear figurines. Peoples go to jail for that.
#1 is a bit more grey, but in such a case, I would expect that a retailer would refund me entirely (which means: at no loss for me, zero, nada, shipping both ways should be refunded). It his job to go after his own distributor/manfacturer. Will it cost said retailer some money? Probably. But the profit margins in an industry are supposed to account for the risk of returning items; if the margins aren't high enough on aggregate, ask an higher price, especially on high-risk items. In any case, I sure wouldn't be happy if I received the answers that the people who bought those Garand have received in this thread.
But this case is even worse, because firearms can potentially injure their users, and not everyone is knowledgeable enough to inspect the bolt of their firearms to find out they shouldn't shoot with it. Even an armorer who's not so familiar with the Garand might not know every potential problem a bolt can have that'll end up disastrous. And most people, especially newbies like me, don't expect that it's necessary to bring a newly-bought firearm to a local armorer to get it checked for safety, if bought from a professional retailer. These rifles could be quite dangerous. People could be injured, or even killed during the normal operation of these refiles. Car manufacturers have to issue recalls when a product they sell is dangerous. The same should be true in this case. The dealer should be contacting every client who bought a Garand, warn them not to fire them for any reason, and send them back for a full refund unless they accept that these items are novelty, not firearms. They shouldn't be fighting against those who want to return their bad products, and try to skimp on shipping fees.
So, I would again like to thank you all. It is not often that I get to learn a lesson for free, it usually costs money or pain, sometimes both. But in this case, I got 3, without spending a dime or bleeding a drop:
1-If I buy a used firearm, no matter where it comes from (dealer, local store, EE, whatever), I'll bring it to my local armorer as soon as I receive it to have it checked for safety. No skimping on safety to save a few bucks. If it isn't safe, I'll ask for a full refund;
2-One of this very site's sponsor has, in my opinion, acted badly. At best, a very bad service was provided. At worst, criminal fraud was commited. I will not send that dealer any of my hard earned money, ever;
3-The bad action of one often tarnish the reputation of others. Previous to this incident, I would have dealed with any of CGN's sponsors with confidence, but this isn't the case anymore. I've had great service from 2 sponsors, and I will happily order from them again. Two others I believe, based on comments on their respective forums offer great service, and I'll happily order from them in the future. With all the other ones I'll thread cautiously, I'll probably turn to them only if I can't find the product elsewhere or their price is ridiculously lower than everywhere else. Take note CGN: one bad sponsor can affect the other's reputation.
Have a good day everyone.
Used car salesman are rarely your friend once they get your money after having sold you a lemon.
Everyone should start filing BBB complaints and prepare for small claims suits. Selling fake rolex's is fraud - a crime. Talk to the RCMP.
Everyone should start filing BBB complaints and prepare for small claims suits. Selling fake rolex's is fraud - a crime. Talk to the RCMP.
Another thought.....since we have seen how little John cares about their Canadian customers, and how he still considers these to be "SAFE" rifles.
How do you think they will treat the person that does get injured, or best case scenario just blows up their $1900 rifle?
My money is on blaming the ammo as being faulty, which if you are injured, will create a real cluster #### in the court system adding years to reach a settlement. If you just lose the gun in a KB well, not like the ironclad warranty is worth a piss in the river either it seems.
How do you think they will treat the person that does get injured, or best case scenario just blows up their $1900 rifle?
My money is on blaming the ammo as being faulty, which if you are injured, will create a real cluster #### in the court system adding years to reach a settlement. If you just lose the gun in a KB well, not like the ironclad warranty is worth a piss in the river either it seems.
I'm shocked that no one has (claimed to have) reported Marstar to the RCMP, CFO, CFC, BBB, media. If a car dealer sold cars that might blow up suddenly, killing the driver, everyone would be all over it. This isn't a simple case of fraud, it's a massive safety issue.
Or are we going to wait for someone to lose an eye, fingers, or their life? I didn't purchase one of these rifles, if I had, I would be reporting Marstar everywhere.
Edit: Also extremely disappointed with the mods. Why is Marstar still an active sponsor?
Or are we going to wait for someone to lose an eye, fingers, or their life? I didn't purchase one of these rifles, if I had, I would be reporting Marstar everywhere.
Edit: Also extremely disappointed with the mods. Why is Marstar still an active sponsor?
Except that fixes seem less than forthcoming, no?
Do you actually think any 'officials' give a #### about us? There are civil remedies that don't involve bottomdwelling bureaucrats or crying to the Nanny for them to 'do something.' You do know what 'do something' means to them?
If you are going to the Evanville gunshow Aug 20-21 keep an eye out for anyone trying to peddle these time bombs....put John on blast if he's dumb enough to have a booth there.
I'm sure their shameful business practices will be a popular topic either way.
I'm sure their shameful business practices will be a popular topic either way.
GunsNotPuns
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It would appear that Marstar may no longer with us...at least on CGN. It's just been listed as an Expired Business...or at least Johnone's profile has that.
I tried clicking on his profile and this came up.
tjsudbury, you do not have permission to access this page. This could be due to one of several reasons
so, at least johnone is gone, it seems, but what about Marstar. They need to be gone too
tjsudbury, you do not have permission to access this page. This could be due to one of several reasons
so, at least johnone is gone, it seems, but what about Marstar. They need to be gone too
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