T81 Bent Rifles, or just how does one take measurements off a stamped receiver?

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I used 2'' spacers off the top of the receiver sides to space a 4' level and clamped it together to take my measurements. I felt if any exterior parts of the receiver would be square to each other it would be where the bolt rides. However a flat edge check of these surfaces reveals less than perfect surface flatness. I feel a truly accurate check of barrel trueness would base off of the machined internal rails. That all said here is my data, all rifles are folders, in consecutive serial numbers.

With the level clamped as above I took a total of 4 measurements from it; each side of barrel from muzzle to straight edge and from the barrel under gas tube. All measurements taken with receiver field stripped.

Update Dec.12

I have gone over the rifles again and attempted to measure barrel alignment to receiver by another method. This time I took a brand new one piece stainless cleaning rod and inserted it down the barrel of each gun and performed a visual check against the machined internal receiver rails. All guns passed this check, the rod was parallel to the internal rails in all cases. When attempting to take measurements I got some interesting results that I will specify by rifle.

With regards to "bent" receivers and flatness of surfaces, I must make some clarifications and corrections of some of my previous comments. My initial flat edge check of the receiver walls and subsequent judgement appears to have been made in haste. Using a 6" machinist rule as a flat edge against the external receiver walls shows surprising flatness rearward of the trunnion and riveting for such. A check of the internal machined rails showed PERFECT flatness. One rifle had a rail that depending on how I held the rule may have felt a bit off, but that is me getting very picky, and I can be OCD about things. All rifles pass inspection in this regard.

Misaligned gas blocks/front sight and condition of riveting:

Two of the rifles have near bang on centre gas blocks, the other two are slightly to the right but not nowhere near as bad as one example someone showed a picture of. Riveting is satisfactory and more than solid. Cosmetically one or two rivets on a rifle may have a slight angled look to the head but that is it. One rivet head had a double strike imprint. I have seen journey metal fabricators do much worse.

Rifle 1: measurement at muzzle was 2.5" from the left and 2.063" from the right. About a 3/16th difference in measurements showing bias (bend) to the RIGHT. To centre would require a 3/32nd shift to left based on this measurement at the MUZZLE. To be precise the edge of the grenade launching attachment.

Measurement at barrel under gas tube, behind launcher was 2.5"/2.25" for 1/4 inch difference, to centre using these numbers would require a 1/8th shift to the left.

Based off these numbers it would seem obvious that the barrel is skewed to the right. However a quick and dirty string check would show it to be relatively straight visually. The front sight post on this rifle is also in the centre, the best of all the rifles. Grip has slight shift, need to tighten grip bolt.

This rifle is the most out of spec by my measurements.

Rifle 1 Update:
Folding stock is straight to rifle, slight cant to right when viewed from rear. Acceptable, I can tweak it if it bugs me enough.

Measuring from the cleaning rod out to internal rails: rod is almost centred between the rails, might be slightly to left but still parallel to the rails.
 
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Rifle 2: at muzzle 2.25"/2.375" for 1/8th difference to the LEFT, to centre would need to shift right by 1/16th

From under gas tube, 2.375" pretty even from both sides, a little more on the right, would need small shift to the right.

These numbers would suggest a slight bias if any to the left, I am happy to call it dead on.

Front sight is about centred, maybe a bit to left but not much. This rifle may be the best of the bunch.

Update:

Folding stock on straight, very very slight cant to right.

Cleaning rod measures centre between between rails, best of all rifles.
 
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Rifle 3: at muzzle 2.375"/2.188" for 3/16th difference to the right, to centre would need shift left by 3/32nd

From under gastube, 2.375"/2.313" for 1/16th difference, to centre would need shift left by 1/32nd........... by these numbers would seem quite centered.

Did not do string test, front sight on this rifle is just to the left a bit.

Update:


Folding stock straight and vertical.

Cleaning rod measures noticeably to the left, still parallel to rails. I am very interested in seeing how this rifle shoots.
 
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Rifle 4: at muzzle 2.313"/2.25" for 1/16th to the right, to centre would need shift left by 1/32nd

Gastube, 2.375"/2.375", perhaps a bit greater on the left showing a very slight bias to the right, call it dead centre almost.

String test on this rifle looked great, front sight is just to left.

This rifle is the other contender for best of the group.

Update:

Folding stock on straight, slight cant to right.

Cleaning rod centred, slightly to left.
 
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I will try to update my posts with more info but wanted to get some numbers up for people to see. I hope my numbers are correct, if something doesn't add up or make sense let me know and I will correct it or give more detail.

I feel measuring off a stamped steel receiver is only going to be so accurate, again, I will say that precise measurements should base off the interior machined surfaces for the most accurate numbers. By my eye and measurements the rifles I got are straight enough for me.

Quick note: no ground bolts or sloppy rivets (or too sloppy lol) or obvious re-conditioned surplus parts. I will add more of my opinion about the build quality but long story short it is decent, for what these rifles are
 
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Very thorough examination. I'd be happy with any of these. I'm not expecting a precision rifle but my OCD won't accept a noticeable to the eye banana gun.

On an off note, why four folders? :p
 
One quick way to tell is to look through the hole on the back of the receiver line it up with the chamber and look through the barrel. Mine is a little to the right .060-.070" when measured.
 
One quick way to tell is to look through the hole on the back of the receiver line it up with the chamber and look through the barrel. Mine is a little to the right .060-.070" when measured.

The fixed has the hole as well, unfortunately you would need to remove the stock if you wanted to look through it.
 
I love how some people have had FOUR folders for a while and I still don't have one yet. Grr...

Only had mine less than 24 hours so far, I stayed up late to do my OCD checks or it would have kept me awake thinking about bent receivers lol.

A lot of sharp edges but built right where it counts. Typical Norc "quality", its beauty is not in its form but its function.

So far, based only on a visual examination and no actual shooting yet, I can say that I am happy with my purchase.
 
I am happy with my purchase, it's in spec, it's not visually bent, these are not CNC machined rifles with modern technology and molds, this is a new but old world receiver made by use of a stamping press, where receivers, literally are stamp out in sheet metal. These Type 81's are on par with Chinese Ak's, Romanian Ak's, Bulgaria etc... if you go on an American AK forum and ask them to lazer line their imported stamped AK's they would have the same issue...thats a fact, if its not visually bent then it's in spec... There are levels of OCD that should stick with CNC machined rifles...

Loving mine:

IMG_3555 by Shawn Douglas, on Flickr

Took it to the range today, set up targets at 50 yards, I made no sight adjustments, just shot out of the box, I only need to make a small front sight adjustment to the right.... It's a great shooter (it's not designed to be MOA):

IMG_3557 by Shawn Douglas, on Flickr
 
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