T97 News.. not good.

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Deckard said:
I disagree. As a southpaw I wouldn't buy one if I wasn't that sure. It might not even be needed if you are careful.

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I'd rather an RFB (they said something about making a .223 version, right?), an FS2000 or a Tavor with a lefty bolt, but if it works for you, be my guest.

Assuming all goes well, I might end up getting one of these as a present for my brother some time down the road.

suprathepeg said:
It is a knock off of the T95.:D
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Oh you.
 
mrsmitty said:
I collect $3000+ rifles and I am anything but elitist. I am your average praire boy from Saskatchewan making some dollars in Fort Mac so I can add some interesting pieces to my collection.
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Perhaps they should ban those then because they can fall into the hands of non elitists. :rolleyes:
 
Norinco is only the exporter, not the manufacturer. Norinco tends to export Chinese knock-offs of popular guns, but they are not always knock-offs. In this case, it is the export-only (.223) version of the Chinese army Type 95 in their own proprietary 5.8 cartridge, and entirely new gun.

It's a knock-off of QBZ-95 rifle.
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Not true. With this sort of thinking, the AR15 is a knock-off of the M16, or is it the other way-round???
 
Lets get this thread back on track...

UCSPanther said:
First restricted, then prohib, then under review and then back again.

What's going on?

If someone in the Bureaucracy is playing a joke, then I would like to be the first to let them know that it isn't funny.
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You guys are worried about if a lefty can shoot it? Try worring about if you'll be able to shoot it at all!!!

Sorry - but I'm more than a little pissed at all of this...

Panther: My take on my conversations today is that RCMP are still reviewing the legal classification of the Type 97. Which could mean two things in my little brain:

1) They are are waiting for the meetings with CanAm and Lever to say "they consulted all parties" :rolleyes: before they prohib them all.

2) They are stalling for time to drum up an excuse to prohib them before the meetings with CanAm and Lever.

Weather or not I will be able to keep my rifle is only known by the RCMP, though I don't know of any confiscations in the last ten years.

For now they have told the "information officers" at the CFC that T97's are prohib so that transfers will not go through. My T97 is still registered restricted (at least I think) for the time being....

I'm sick of this....:mad:

I'm calling again tomorrow for more clarification.
 
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Mr.4x4 said:
Pressure is what we do
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---- Yes X 2 , --- Spent a Lot of time today, writing letters ( pen and paper ) to PM Harper, Van Loan, Garry B. and local MLA, --- then down to the post office and sent them registered, ----- want to be sure They Get Them !! cost just under $ 15.00, but what did My Guns cost !! --- that, plus all the e-mails, I would think that by now, with all the letters, calls etc; everybody been doing they are sorta getting the picture, That were not real Happy right now !!! --- Lets keep the pressure on, keep up with the letters, and Bury Them !!!!
 
michaelsabre said:
Don't think you need to call. They have no clue too.

Better wait for things setting down a little.
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This is where you are wrong. I want to call to check the classification and to ask more pointed questions (if I can ever get through to another tech).

What if I wanted to go to the range and they have changed the classification to prohib?

What does it mean to me if they change the classification?

Likely they will just make it grandfathered prohib and I'll have a safe queen. But given it seems the RCMP can do anything they want, what if they pull a fast one and want to confiscate it?

Ask the guys who owned SPAS 12's if that can't happen.
 
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I think it is worth calling the political masters to put the grip back on their servants, which are supposed to follow the policy of the political master.

Anything can be called a CA anyways - you can even call a mini 14 a CA because the receiver casting of a mini 14 could be originally put on the rack that was labelled AC556, but then Ruger changes its mind and pick the receiver off that rack and machined it differently.
 
I'd agree with keeping the pressure on the RCMP and Customs - they cannot manufacture evidence to suit the law (as noted previously) and, if the T-97 does not fit prohib status under the Firearms Act, or, is not justifiably seized under any other Canadian laws they have absolutely no choice but to release the guns, without any other undue or unnecessary delay, to Can-Am and other dealers. Since the T97 does not fit the definition of prohib, the RCMP has no business whatsoever instructing CFC to hold up any transfers of the T97.

On the other hand, if the RCMP screwed up the initial determination of the T97 status and the T97 is made unavailable, I think it quite reasonable that they should pay financial compensation plus interest, without delay to current owners as well as dealers and T97 buyers as T97 status reversal would be a de facto admission they screwed up and must be held accountable.

Better still, if this delay can also be traced to the doorsteps of anti-gun organizations, individuals, they should be forced also to pay compensation as well, for illegally restricting commerce - among other things.
 
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