TACCOM24 Sterling arms R18 mk3 .223
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Still takes AR mags.
Seems like a really grey area lol it’s exactly what it needs though
Awesome thanks!
I'm a little confused, so let me break it down.
I thought the R18MK3 (and the MK2) was manufactured in England? I see mentions of Turkey for some reason and dont understand why, maybe I didnt read closely enough and missed something.
Would Sterling sell the MK3 upper standalone, and would it fit on say a Spectre Ballistics 180B lower? As much as I want to build a Crypto, the 180 platform has a lot more purchase on the current market, and waiting for the IRG/NoDak ChicoJAKL thing I can use the same lower no problem, just my thought process on how I wish to go about possibly experiencing the R18MK3
I thought the R18MK3 (and the MK2) was manufactured in England? I see mentions of Turkey for some reason and dont understand why, maybe I didnt read closely enough and missed something.
Would Sterling sell the MK3 upper standalone, and would it fit on say a Spectre Ballistics 180B lower? As much as I want to build a Crypto, the 180 platform has a lot more purchase on the current market, and waiting for the IRG/NoDak ChicoJAKL thing I can use the same lower no problem, just my thought process on how I wish to go about possibly experiencing the R18MK3
The video shows the PMAGs are ground down to fit in the magwell.
I think it would be less risky to just mill out the shelf in the magwell of the rifle rather than modify magazines to fit. There are already products on the market/modification service for the 10/22 for TUF-22 magazines and the 10/22 Remington 597 adapter. I know about the Type 81/AK mags and Valmet/Galil mags as well, but that is a bit different because those guns came before the legislation.
This is a huge legal grey area and most of the time it doesn't work out for legal gun owners when there is a grey area.
I hope a change of gouvernement will lead to all of this becoming a moot point.
mmcintyre1220
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Well, you do make a good point in that historically, both Canadian and Turkish made firearms have been a hot pile of crap. From what I gather the R18 has been a fairly reliable platform with mediocre accuracy. My fear is that introducing Turkish made junk into this platform will only decrease reliability.
Milling the receiving is basically converting the rifle to a C21 non-compliant rifle which specifically states that a SA not to accept mag over 5.
Toying with your magazine to make it fit is essentially the same because it just proves the above ^
Same idea as FA and easily converted FA. Play stupid games will get stupid prize. You can't prove the government stupid, because they are always right. People spent all the time and money to set things up to make a product and some guys out there are trying to set you up on youtube.
Why can't people just exercise some tactical patience and wait for another 6 months for this Liberals government to go away?
Your points are well-taken.
I hope this SAI rifle proves to be reliable and fills a niche in the Canadian market for a dependable 180-derived rifle.
Sterling Arms International is indeed UK based. However, the R18 Mk2 was designed and manufactured in Canada under the SAI name, primarily for the Canadian market (but with international sales aspirations). The Sterling R18 Mk3 was again designed in Canada (by the same joint SAI/The Shooting Edge design team), but will be manufactured overseas with Canadian assembly and Quality Control checks (eg. test-firing). Off-short component manufacture allows for a much lower price point thanks primarily to lower labour wages, with a $900 saving passed onto the Canadian consumer. The SAI R18 Mk3 will therefore retail for just $1800 CAD.
It is highly doubtful that the SAI R18 Mk3 Upper Receiver would correctly mate to a Spectre 180B Lower Receiver, as the two different rifles were never intended to be cross-compatible. I shudder to think what the warranty arrangement would be if something broke or (heaven forbid) someone was injured as the result of a mash-up between the two different firearms. This idea is not only dubious in terms of practicality, it is also potentially dangerous. Even if SAI decided to sell the Mk3 Upper Receiver separately, it would not be advisable to mix up rifle components with different pedigrees. There is nothing stopping you from trying, however...
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I had the inverse, my R18mk2 was very accurate with but its reliability shat the bed after 1000 rounds for both my original upper and replacement upper.
I'll keep an eye out for the mk3 because I truly do believe that like monkeys and typewriters we WILL get Shakespeare from the Canadian market eventually
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There is nothing whatsoever "junk"-like about the Turkish manufacture of firearms components. The SAI R18 Mk3 parts manufactured in Turkey are fabricated from T7075 aluminum alloy on Robotic CNC machinery to world-class ISO standards, then Type 5 Hardcoat Anodized. Those Turkish components are far superior in terms of fit and finish to the parts manufactured in Canada for the SAI R18 Mk2. The Turks may admittedly not make low-cost firearms to last for the Canadian market, but don't under-estimate their capacity for machining and fabrication excellence despite their (cost-saving) low wages. Compare a Mk3 Receiver set to a Mk2 set and you will see what I mean....
I am wondering if the new MK3 uppers will work with the older MK2 lowers? It would be nice for anyone who owns a MK2 to be able to get newer uppers in different calibers. I couldn't tell from the videos and there was no explicit mention or cross compatibility. Is there anyone with more knowledge of this project who may know how much the lower was changed?
apexanimal
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- Vancouver Island
We can only hope and pray this has the reliability of a $400 chinese AR made by slave labor.
Adapting firearm to accept different legal magazine is legal. Here's C21:
2) The definition prohibited firearm in subsection 84(1) of the Act is amended by striking out “or” at the end of paragraph (c), by adding “or” at the end of paragraph (d) and by adding the following after paragraph (d):
- (e) a firearm that is not a handgun and that
- (i) discharges centre-fire ammunition in a semi-automatic manner,
- (ii) was originally designed with a detachable cartridge magazine with a capacity of six cartridges or more, and
- (iii) is designed and manufactured on or after the day on which this paragraph comes into force; (arme à feu prohibée)
However, answering your questions on why ppl just can't wait:
- there will be no legislations changes in 6 months even if we see Cons in power next month. Impossible.
- nobody seems to give a damn anymore. Journalists brag on TV about making prohib devices from magazine and nobody cares. Journalists brag with stun gun (also prohibited device) and nobody cares. Person that was threatened with knife in Toronto called 911 and was told cops were busy with life-threatening situations. Car theft is through the roof, and some ppl find their stolen car but police doesn't care. We have influx of "student" scamming our immigration laws and nobody care. We have almost carnage of GTA roads and again - nobody cares. So why would someone be worried about doing something that most ppl agree is legal?
