Taking PE90 into the US

[nickorette]

If you really wanted to, you could try and import it under the name "swiss arms black special". Remember that the PE-90 and 550 from switzerland is prohibited here too.

 

[greentips]

The FRT boys aren't that dumb.

All bureaucrats exist to preserve their own jobs - through a mechanism called "office politics".

You will never ever win over a bureaucrat or agency by telling them they have made mistakes.

And the way they cover their mistakes is to screw you over.

Unless you have a bigger stick than him, you are better off by letting it go.

As a foreigner, you have NO STICK whatsoever over a US official. You are just poking a dog that is not on leash.

The up side is limited, but the potential downside is bottomless, why will you do that????

All because "I am right, and I need to prove to the other I am righter than him!"

And if you poke the dog anymore, it is going to bite.

 

[cybershooters]

No I am afraid you are Wrong,the BATFE will not allow the Swiss Arms Rifles to be imported on a TIA 6 period end of story.A simple problem just appeared on your horizon note bold text . Under BATFE the importation for Law Enforcement Agencies /Government Agencies are exempt from BATFE restrictions all the Dealer has to do is fill out the form with an end user and Viola its approved. so unless you are Licensed manufacturer selling Sig /Swiss arms rifles to an LEA or GA you will only be banging your head on the wall well past the point of a good sized headache. But try if you like I do wish you well on this futile endeavor

No, I'm afraid you're wrong, they still have to get a Form 6 Part 1 approval. LE sales on letterhead of Title 1 firearms are exempt from the sporting purpose test. Same as temporary imports of the same guns on Form 6NIA.

Look folks, if you don't want to help, don't help, but stop sitting here finger-f**king something that you clearly don't know as much about as I do, frankly.

I know exactly what ATF's ruling is and what the law is, I don't need an education, thanks, I have a stack of letters from various departments of ATF explaining in great detail what the law is and their opinion on it.

ATF has turned down my application because they say that under the auto sear block welded to the upper there is a slot for an auto sear in the rail, or a detent in the rail to allow one to be machined in, thus PE90s are machineguns.

There isn't. They are wrong. They won't admit they're wrong. The only way at this point to get them to revisit the issue is for other people to apply.

This has no bearing on anything in Canada or anything to do with what a PE90 may or may not be classified as in Canada. We're talking about the classification of a specific make and model of firearm. What relationship it may have to another make and model of firearm under the laws of some other country is totally academic.

And frankly I've been going on at ATF about this for years now and if it were going to have any bearing on anything in Canada it would have already happened by now.

All I need is for two or three people to file applications as outlined in my original post, that's it. Worst-case scenario you get a denial letter back.

If you don't want to do it, don't do it. End of story.

The ATF has 445 SIG 550's and 45 SIG 551's on the approved list. They do not consider the 550 a sporting rifle suitable for hunting purposes. This gun isn't banned because it is considered a machine gun. It is banned because it is not considered a sporting rifle.

Can I just make it clear that SIG SG550s have pretty much nothing to do with anything as regards this application.

SIG SG550s are banned from permanent import to the US because of the sporting purpose test, there is no test if the import is temporary. Theoretically, if you had a 12(5) SG550, you may well find ATF would actually grant a Form 6NIA import permit for it.

This is a totally separate issue. ATF are saying that PE90s are machineguns. They aren't. They're saying it's a Title II NFA weapon, it's not. Nothing to do with "assault weapons" or any of that jazz.

If you really wanted to, you could try and import it under the name "swiss arms black special". Remember that the PE-90 and 550 from switzerland is prohibited here too.

I've tried under every name you could reasonably think of.

 

[Rich LPS]

Cybershooters,

I appreciate what you are trying to do here. You are probably right.

I do have to side with Greentips on this one. He is correct, you are not a citizen, you are a foreigner and a "no-body" to US Authorities. They can tell you what ever they want and do as they like with you. I also think that you are "poking the bear". If you don't think that there could be repercussions for you or anyone else you might be a bit naive. These boards are monitored by the "authorities". There is cooperation between US and Canadian Services. Please don't try and tell us that your efforts, however noble, can never impact other firearms owners (Swiss Arms owners in particular) in Canada. They in fact can impact us in the future, the tatics of our politicians and anti-gun forces must not be under-estimated.

Rich