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D-Boy said:
Why not ask me about Taurus quality control and customer service? Both quality control and customer service did not exist when I complained about my PT 111. Regards, Richard
Taurus 1911
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Why not ask me about Taurus quality control and customer service? Both quality control and customer service did not exist when I complained about my PT 111. Regards, Richard
I gotta admit, I'd like to see one in person... then field strip it, then detail strip it and have a good lookey....
As I meantioned in the other thread; I don't believe they have been imported in Canada yet. Call FN Sports and ask them when they expact to bring them in. But if you want one now you can import one the thu either Buds & Leroys (US) or Quester they are ~$475-500+ USD so it should be about $800CND after all the fees if you use latter option.
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Ardent
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IM_Lugger,
Dude, despite my best efforts, you've definitely gone and drunk that "Taurus Koo-Aid!"In all seriousness now, guys looking at purchasing Taurus products should really take another look at what Richard posted. Taurus has Quality Control issues, most of their parts are cast, & they have next to NO Customer Service in Canada!
I'm not trashing Taurus, I actually own an older PT-92 that I like, and which can give most Beretta's a run for their money. However, I got an excellent deal on it and paid less than half retail. Would I go and purchase a new Taurus today & pay retail for it? Nope!
There are better choices out there from manufacturers that actually support their product. I'd even go buy a Norinco 1911 from Marstar & tweak it to my personal taste before dropping a dime on the Taurus these days. If they opt to begin supporting their product in the future, I'd consider them, but not as it stands now.
That said, if you're old enough to legally own a restricted firearm, you're old enough to make up your own mind. Choosing a new pistol is a personal choice that only you can make. If it "feels" right to you and you want it, go for it!
Amen Sean. I too own an older PT92, and bought it because it was as new and super cheap, plus I wanted a 9mm capable of double action and cocked and locked for teaching newbies the different action types all on one gun. I also have a Taurus .38, that works more than half the time.
While I own them, it's because of how cheap I received them, I would NOT buy a Taurus new. One look at the US gun boards turns up a disturbing number of "Problem with new Taurus ###..." They also have the unenviable distinction of being one of the most frequently serviced gun brands in US shops. At least stateside their warranty's impeccable, here, no thanks. They're probably for the mostpart decent guns, but articles like this one are way too common:
http://www.gun-tests.com/performance/dec97IPSC.html
Moral? It seems one thing always echoed is; "They are great, when they work."
As for 1911's, I cannot understand why anyone would buy a Taurus, when there's SO MANY well established 1911 specialists for only $100-200 more, like Kimber and base model STI's. Buy a used Kimber or STI or even a Colt anyday before you go for a Taurus. But hey, this is just my opinion, and doubtless to some, it stinks. One place I'm admittedly snobbish in regards to is Taurus guns, even though I own a couple.
Ardent
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What makes this so much more special than the half dozen plus 1911 makers already available and in stock in Canada? I'm not picking on you, just honestly curious if I'm missing something with regards to this gun.
I jusr get a hankering to get something and i want it. the US reviews are awsome for this gun, has great options vs price. I already have an STI Edge and a norinco.....truely hate the nork. Why do we buy some of the stuff we buy????....Im sure we all have a few "safe queens" that we never use much but sure are pretty. ie:my nickle desert eagle .50, etc.
Personally I can not undertand why someone would want to spend couple hundred dollars more when you can (maybe not just yet) have a gun for less $ with more features.
If you frequent US boards you probably know that the gun has been getting great reviwes from owners Check out 1911 forum planty of Taurus owners there...Sure there are some Taurus guns I wouldn't buy, but guns like PT92, 24/7, Raging Bull and now PT1911 are pretty solid with no more problems reported than with with other (more respected) brands.
you might want to check out these threads than;
http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=176002
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=2167.0
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As several other posters pointed out, Taurus has no warranty service in Canada and the company's reputation for quality is, at best, spotty. Are you saying you don't understand why people are willing to pay more for better quality and better service?Personally I can not undertand why someone would want to spend couple hundred dollars more when you can (maybe not just yet) have a gun for less $ with more features.
And as I have pointer out with PT1911 warranty is not an issue since you can get 1911 parts anywhere. Plus Taurus DOES have warranty; lifetime warranty in fact... FN sports is the destributor and they also handle repairs, not just for Taurus; but for Sig, HK, Springfield and few others...
And as for quality; I undertsnd why people spend more money to get a better product, but not when someone is willing to paying more money for a brand name alone and gain no extra quality or features.
And as for quality; I undertsnd why people spend more money to get a better product, but not when someone is willing to paying more money for a brand name alone and gain no extra quality or features.
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Ardent
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Personally I can not undertand why someone would want to spend couple hundred dollars more when you can (maybe not just yet) have a gun for less $ with more features.
...all I see's a $20 ambi safety that you're likely better off without unless you're a lefty and some checkering over a Kimber Custom II, for only just over $100 less.
I'd bet serious coin the Kimber would kick it's arse in longevity and accuracy as well, talk to TSE about their range Kimbers for instance. To be clear though, I really hope these come in country, and they sell. I don't care what you're shooting, long as you're shooting, and the more options on the market the better in my opinion. I still fail to see a reason to buy a Taurus 1911 though...Unfortunately things like this still show up a fair bit and this is a pretty new gun... I'll pass and keep shooting Kimber.
well how much would checkering cost? btw doesn't Kimber only comes with one 7 round mag? I'm pretty sure Taurus comes with two 8 rounders....all I see's a $20 ambi safety that you're likely better off without unless you're a lefty and some checkering over a Kimber Custom II, for only just over $100 less.
Also PT1911 has a forged steel slide and frame so I fail to see why Kimber would outlast it.
As for accuracy heres a quote from a guy who owns both (taken from the link I posted above)"I shot groups that were very nearly equal in size at varing distances (7 feet to 25 yards, neither gun posting an obviously better group at any distance ) ....."While I am a bit disappointed in the Kimber, it only makes me appreciate the PT1911 more!"
I guess I still don't see the point of buying a basic Kimber over PT1911 esp. when you have to pay more for it.
If it's based on the 80 it ain't worth buying. Nork is THE budget piece, there are several options already at the $600-$900 rage on the market from reputable companies with dedicated dealers that back the product up. Good luck dealing with FN sports, they still in turn have to deal with Taurus. As far as 1911 parts fitting, if I need warranty work and the pistol has lifetime warrantee, why would I go and buy my own parts to repair it?
I felt the same when SIG and S&W came out with their 1911's....why? There are companies that there sole pistol offerings are 1911's and they are about as good as it can get and taken them as far as the design will ever get. It's just odd that anyone would want a piece of the saturated 1911 market, especially when they have a rep for putting out garbage with no customer service.
Ardent
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well how much would checkering cost? btw doesn't Kimber only comes with one 7 round mag? I'm pretty sure Taurus comes with two 8 rounders.
Also PT1911 has a forged steel slide and frame so I fail to see why Kimber would outlast it.
As for accuracy heres a quote from a guy who owns both (taken from the link I posted above)"I shot groups that were very nearly equal in size at varing distances (7 feet to 25 yards, neither gun posting an obviously better group at any distance ) ....."While I am a bit disappointed in the Kimber, it only makes me appreciate the PT1911 more!"
I guess I still don't see the point of buying a basic Kimber over PT1911 esp. when you have to pay more for it.
Yep, the Kimber comes with one mag, and another will run you $25 for a decent 7 rounder (not a fan of the 8 rounders). I'm really not at all worried about the $25 for a mag, nor do I even want the checkering...
As for the gentleman who "owns both", that faceless comment means nothing to me. I have no idea how this one lone gentleman shoots, his loads, or the range etc. For all I know he's a terrible shot and gets equally terrible results with an excellent gun as with a middle of the road one. All I know is I've personally shot a 5 round ragged one hole group with a Kimber at 25 yards rested, and I've never done that with any other 1911, or pistol at all for that matter. It doesn't get more accurate than that, period, so there's not really any way the Taurus is going to beat it. It may tie, perhaps, but I'd still opt for Kimber's expertise in 1911's over the new kid on the block from Brazil; 1911's are what Kimber and STI do. It's NOT what Taurus specializes in. I have no doubt the Taurus can compete, in the same way a Kia competes with a Honda, but I sincerely doubt it's going to win. As a side note, FN sports has historically been viewed like the plague as far as arranging warranty work, perhaps, and hopefully, this has changed.
To echo Hitzy, why?
Then again, why not, if people are shooting them and enjoying them, all the more power to them! I simply personally wouldn't purchase one, and have outlined my reasons for the purpose of discussion.I agree with every bit of this, especially the second paragraph.
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"I guess I still don't see the point of buying a basic Kimber over PT1911 esp. when you have to pay more for it."
IM_Lugger, you would understand if you shot my "Plain Jane" Kimber Custom Compact. Why? It will shoot with the best all day long. Regards, Richard
Kimber Custom Compact:
IM_Lugger, you would understand if you shot my "Plain Jane" Kimber Custom Compact. Why? It will shoot with the best all day long. Regards, Richard
Kimber Custom Compact:
^Is that tape on that grip? soulds like you would like PT1911 (comes with checkered grip)
Already plenty of 1911s? Sure... So what’s wrong with another choice? If that’s how everyone felt, today we'd only have Colt making 1911's. I bet Colt fans were talking trash about Kimber when they started making 1911’s...
Personally I don't care much for the blued PT1911 (although it's seems to be great value) but will get one when they'll come out in stainless. Stainless loaded 1911 for ~$750 you bet your ars I want one
Already plenty of 1911s? Sure... So what’s wrong with another choice?
If that’s how everyone felt, today we'd only have Colt making 1911's. I bet Colt fans were talking trash about Kimber when they started making 1911’s...Personally I don't care much for the blued PT1911 (although it's seems to be great value) but will get one when they'll come out in stainless. Stainless loaded 1911 for ~$750 you bet your ars I want one
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